Microsoft may be Firefox's worst vulnerability
apotheon | 06/02/09
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The evil empire
mcfant | 06/02/09
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Well all I can say is
Tony Hopkinson | 06/03/09
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and most of the EULA has the legal backing of the spoken word
Deadly Ernest | 06/03/09
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EULA would have to be legally binding
Neon Samurai | 06/03/09
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Not going to do you any good when you've already been boned
Tony Hopkinson | 06/03/09
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What happened to "Trustworthy Computing"?
bpsull@... | 06/03/09
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how do i ...
rossstilwill@... | 06/29/09
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I just followed the procedure in the link, however
Tony Hopkinson | 06/29/09
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How to remove the .NET Framework Assistant for Firefox
Jwagdy | 07/05/09
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This is typical MS fare
darpoke | 06/03/09
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There is!
DaemonSlayer | 06/03/09
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BSA?
apotheon | 06/03/09
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Yepp...
DaemonSlayer | 06/03/09
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you say that as if..
gavin142 | 06/03/09
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two things
apotheon | 06/03/09
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The difference with MS is they've already
Deadly Ernest | 06/04/09
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Wait there's More....
DaemonSlayer | 06/04/09
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People refer to these entities as cartels
darpoke | 06/04/09
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I had been done over
Tony Hopkinson | 06/03/09
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I feel like I've been raped in my sleep
Sterling "Chip" Camden | 06/03/09
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No Fix Here
AlexNagy | 06/04/09
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Thanks for the heads up
Michael Jay | 06/04/09
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thank you
pgit | 06/04/09
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Conficker
wdewey@... | 06/04/09
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Bullet proof since version 1.0
Johanoslo | 06/04/09
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No it wasn't
Tony Hopkinson | 06/04/09
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Seen this nonsense before!
PromptJock | 06/04/09
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Can't Get Rid of "last of Firefoxexe."?
teret@... | 06/04/09
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Apparently MS has an update for this
mudpuppy1 | 06/04/09
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Hmm
Tony Hopkinson | 06/04/09
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Yep
mudpuppy1 | 06/04/09
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Just Disable that Add-on?
bbarnes@... | 06/04/09
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"disable" doesn't solve all problems
apotheon | 06/04/09
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Typical MS
rhgarne1@... | 06/09/09
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I really wish people would keep up to date...
Marty R. Milette | 06/09/09
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ROFLMAO
Tony Hopkinson | 06/09/09
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That does not, in any way, excuse what MS did in the first place as
Deadly Ernest | 06/09/09
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mentioned in the article
apotheon | 06/09/09
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well this just tickles me.
Jaqui | 06/02/09
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taste in browsers
apotheon | 06/02/09
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lynx. ~nt~
Jaqui | 06/03/09
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Text only.
Palmetto | 06/03/09
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it's not just that
Jaqui | 06/03/09
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That's not the only problem.
apotheon | 06/03/09
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Not all non-windows browsers are text-only
rmerchberger@... | 06/09/09
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Opera
cbader@... | 06/03/09
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Opera Rocks!
etkinsd@... | 06/03/09
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yuck
apotheon | 06/03/09
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More, definitely
Sterling "Chip" Camden | 06/03/09
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why?
pgit | 06/04/09
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Well . . .
apotheon | 06/04/09
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yep
pgit | 06/05/09
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Galeon and Epiphany -- ugh.
apotheon | 06/05/09
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Opera
DaemonSlayer | 06/03/09
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re: Chrome
apotheon | 06/03/09
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I'm still using Chrome as my default browser
Sterling "Chip" Camden | 06/03/09
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Chrome
gavin142 | 06/03/09
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Wow . . .
apotheon | 06/03/09
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Browsers
LarryBoy2 | 06/04/09
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Like Chrome? Try SRware Iron...
EkaInfinitos | 06/09/09
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meh
apotheon | 06/09/09
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One Browser?
AlexNagy | 06/04/09
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ack
apotheon | 06/04/09
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Nope
santeewelding@... | 06/02/09
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RE: Microsoft may be Firefox's worst vulnerability
gassyandy | 06/03/09
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"...now they screw with open source."
Palmetto | 06/03/09
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~lol~
Jaqui | 06/03/09
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Their feature is our security hole
bboyd@... | 06/03/09
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It's just a plugin
Neon Samurai | 06/03/09
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of course if you don' t use .NET at all it's not a problem
Deadly Ernest | 06/03/09
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business requirnment unfortunately
Neon Samurai | 06/04/09
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small problem with that
apotheon | 06/03/09
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armor
DaemonSlayer | 06/03/09
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The fault is with Firefox
inet32@... | 06/05/09
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Gee the Windows systems must be wider open that I thought
Deadly Ernest | 06/05/09
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Really?????
LarryBoy2 | 06/05/09
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Who said MSFT did anything unique?
inet32@... | 06/28/09
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quibbles
apotheon | 06/28/09
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Hmmm
Tony Hopkinson | 06/05/09
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To those who hold Mozilla harmless, ...
deepsand | 06/05/09
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It isn't but
Tony Hopkinson | 06/06/09
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Since FF uses the Chrome system for its local store, ...
deepsand | 06/07/09
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How can you secure anything from the authority level
Tony Hopkinson | 06/07/09
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Why not local encryption?
deepsand | 06/07/09
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Doable
Tony Hopkinson | 06/07/09
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encryption vs. OS
apotheon | 06/08/09
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Yep more 'secure' than a simple registry entry
Tony Hopkinson | 06/08/09
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the best solution
apotheon | 06/08/09
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A nice change to the caption
Tony Hopkinson | 06/08/09
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Not massively hot on the necessary knowledge
darpoke | 06/09/09
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re: Little Brother
apotheon | 06/09/09
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All deepends on how much trouble the 'bad guys' want to go to
Tony Hopkinson | 06/09/09
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apotheon : Access to decrypted data not a problem.
deepsand | 06/09/09
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no forging needed
apotheon | 06/17/09
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The application would issue its own CAs that are different; ...
deepsand | 06/17/09
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Why does the OS reverse engineering things come into this?
apotheon | 06/18/09
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Without knowing what the application is trying to do, ...
deepsand | 06/18/09
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So?
apotheon | 06/18/09
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Going in circles?
deepsand | 06/18/09
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I could be wrong
darpoke | 06/19/09
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bring it all together
apotheon | 06/19/09
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Still missing the point
deepsand | 06/20/09
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It's still on the system
Neon Samurai | 06/20/09
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Each permitted BHO/etal. would have its own CA, ...
deepsand | 06/20/09
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What?
apotheon | 06/20/09
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CA = Certificate of Authority.
deepsand | 06/20/09
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You aren't making as much sense as you probably think you are.
apotheon | 06/21/09
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No one else seems to have trouble understanding my meanings.
deepsand | 06/21/09
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You're kidding . . . right?
apotheon | 06/22/09
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No, I am not kidding.
deepsand | 06/22/09
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an application's secrets
apotheon | 06/23/09
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Of course it's a cat and mouse game.
deepsand | 06/23/09
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Questions
santeewelding@... | 06/23/09
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I'll knock my head against this wall a little more.
apotheon | 06/23/09
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That,
santeewelding@... | 06/23/09
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Why?
apotheon | 06/24/09
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On matters of theory we agree.
deepsand | 06/24/09
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ahem
apotheon | 06/25/09
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ahem, redux
deepsand | 06/26/09
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Some of your questions seem to indicate you're not paying attention.
apotheon | 06/28/09
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Obscuration of an operating system
santeewelding@... | 06/29/09
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Your position, apotheon, rests on the assumption that ...
deepsand | 06/29/09
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I guess you've given up directly addressing the issue at hand.
apotheon | 06/30/09
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In this case, I can make such assertions.
deepsand | 07/01/09
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here you go again
apotheon | 07/01/09
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The claim that OS developers can always thwart App. developers ...
deepsand | 07/02/09
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weird
apotheon | 07/03/09
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Try both reading more carefully and being less evasive.
deepsand | 07/04/09
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two things, then I'm done
apotheon | 07/04/09
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I'll take that as "I can't support my position, so ..."
deepsand | 07/05/09
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poppycock
apotheon | 07/06/09
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Evades that which you did. [eom]
deepsand | 07/06/09
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Yes, but . . .
inet32@... | 06/28/09
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not exactly
apotheon | 06/28/09
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Wasn't silent on mine
Tony Hopkinson | 06/29/09
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Was here, on several machines. [eom]
deepsand | 07/01/09
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Is anyone surprised by this?
Deadly Ernest | 06/03/09
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Not really
LarryBoy2 | 06/04/09
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Predator
sk.dunnage@... | 06/26/09
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It was an error, not a deliberate act. [eom]
deepsand | 06/27/09
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source, please
apotheon | 06/28/09
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Pretty please.
santeewelding@... | 06/29/09
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Citation to support implied counterclaim, please. [eom]
deepsand | 07/02/09
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What counterclaim?
apotheon | 07/03/09
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Well, then idle curiously or mere speculation?
deepsand | 07/05/09
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neither
apotheon | 07/06/09
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That's just your funny definition of "straw man."
deepsand | 07/06/09
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Curious, no add on
Michael Kassner | 06/03/09
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a couple of possibilities
apotheon | 06/03/09
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No to both
Michael Kassner | 06/03/09
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not in this case
apotheon | 06/03/09
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Strange
Michael Kassner | 06/03/09
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thanks
apotheon | 06/03/09
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using noscript
rbees | 06/03/09
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Thanks for the info
Michael Kassner | 06/03/09
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I had a thought . . .
apotheon | 06/03/09
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Not really
Michael Kassner | 06/03/09
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couldn't say
rbees | 06/04/09
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I can, though
LarryBoy2 | 06/04/09
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Me too
Tony Hopkinson | 06/04/09
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Passing strange
seanferd | 06/03/09
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Win XP SP3
Michael Kassner | 06/04/09
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.NET SP
mudpuppy1 | 06/04/09
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Thanks and I do
Michael Kassner | 06/04/09
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Not just XP
Datacommguy | 06/04/09
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another possability, patches done previous to user setup
Neon Samurai | 06/04/09
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Not on my system either
yogi_john@... | 06/05/09
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Did you look in...
DaemonSlayer | 06/06/09
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RE: Microsoft may be Firefox's worst vulnerability
noorman | 06/03/09
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Hefty for MS is much higher than the club covercharge
Neon Samurai | 06/03/09
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they'll only put Win 7 up by another $10.00 a copy.
Deadly Ernest | 06/03/09
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Tone it down
robkraft@... | 06/03/09
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Wait a minute...
lestertrad@... | 06/03/09
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Strong Words
sboverie@... | 06/03/09
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Huh ??
Tony Hopkinson | 06/03/09
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Think beyond MS
sboverie@... | 06/03/09
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What mistake?
Tony Hopkinson | 06/03/09
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Corporations are not human
sboverie@... | 06/04/09
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Kind of funny how corporations have turned out - historically
Deadly Ernest | 06/04/09
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If you did this as a private US citizen
Tony Hopkinson | 06/04/09
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sbovery, technically amoral or sociopath rather than psychotic
Neon Samurai | 06/04/09
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Corporations
sboverie@... | 06/04/09
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Hate? nah
Tony Hopkinson | 06/04/09
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Hell, no rational person would claim
darpoke | 06/05/09
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Well stated, darpoke!
LarryBoy2 | 06/05/09
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Thanks, Larry.
darpoke | 06/05/09
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I'm with LarryBoy2.
apotheon | 06/05/09
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On the other hand...
DHCDBD | 06/03/09
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If it was out of character, this would be different
Neon Samurai | 06/03/09
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Billion Dollar Mob
bboyd@... | 06/03/09
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no external conspiracy needed
Neon Samurai | 06/03/09
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Another Reason. . .
lodestone | 06/04/09
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Lovely advice, now please go and preach it at Redmond
Deadly Ernest | 06/03/09
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heck.. not the first time the've pointed guns at Mozilla even
Neon Samurai | 06/03/09
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Sure, no problem
Tony Hopkinson | 06/03/09
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Did M$ even care???
DaemonSlayer | 06/03/09
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I'm not one to call for class action law as a first reaction.. but..
Neon Samurai | 06/03/09
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I agree entirely with this
NotSoChiGuy | 06/03/09
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AGREED!!
Bebedo | 06/03/09
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Disagreements.
Palmetto | 06/03/09
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we have autoupdates disabled
Neon Samurai | 06/03/09
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The first mistake here was to
Deadly Ernest | 06/04/09
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I'm back to my historical reconstruction plan also
Neon Samurai | 06/04/09
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Win 98 works perfectly on a Pentium 2 but not on a Pentium 3
Deadly Ernest | 06/04/09
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I have a few local ideas but thank you for offering
Neon Samurai | 06/05/09
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I've installed 98 on a P3
mudpuppy1 | 06/05/09
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Please
DaemonSlayer | 06/03/09
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If an agreement is made with a gun at your head?
aidplus@... | 06/09/09
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I'll answer both questions - the EULA is not fully legal as the
Deadly Ernest | 06/09/09
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RE: Microsoft may be Firefox's worst vulnerability
badgerous | 06/03/09
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hp webprintin too RE: Microsoft may be Firefox's worst vulnerability
amj2006 | 06/03/09
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RE: Microsoft may be Firefox's worst vulnerability
SkyStrike2001@... | 06/03/09
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RE: Microsoft may be Firefox's worst vulnerability
kbc2811 | 06/03/09
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more like your home building contractor
Neon Samurai | 06/03/09
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RE: Microsoft may be Firefox's worst vulnerability
techrepublic.com@... | 06/03/09
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Normally, it would warn the user
Neon Samurai | 06/03/09
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Won't disagree
DaemonSlayer | 06/03/09
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I was wondering about that
Michael Kassner | 06/03/09
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Add-ons
DaemonSlayer | 06/03/09
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It *Does* Notify You Of This
Fevrin | 06/04/09
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Well you can talk her through the patch
Tony Hopkinson | 06/04/09
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Actually
Fevrin | 06/05/09
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I sure hope Mozilla sue Microsoft on this one
chaz15 | 06/03/09
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RE: Microsoft may be Firefox's worst vulnerability
rexrzer1238477@... | 06/03/09
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You're on to something
DaemonSlayer | 06/03/09
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It only took a couple of minutes
TaDaH | 06/03/09
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Why would I want DotNet installed at all?
seanferd | 06/03/09
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uninstall it
pgit | 06/04/09
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Already there
seanferd | 06/04/09
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.net model
wdewey@... | 06/04/09
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Oh, it has got to be better than COM
seanferd | 06/04/09
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Built in to OS
wdewey@... | 06/04/09
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very good points
pgit | 06/05/09
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This is why!
feral@... | 06/04/09
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Microsoft is acting like a criminal
harrylal | 06/04/09
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They are being
Tony Hopkinson | 06/04/09
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Furthermore...
RipVan | 06/04/09
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Should have been released through standard method for extensions
wdewey@... | 06/04/09
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Now...
melekali | 06/04/09
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So why attack Firefox?
walrus@... | 06/05/09
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Nobody attacked Firefox.
apotheon | 06/05/09
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I Don't Know...
Fevrin | 06/06/09
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eliminating a little ambiguity
apotheon | 06/06/09
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So why attack Firefox?
walrus@... | 06/05/09
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Not a problem with a Dell Ubuntu machine...
mikifinaz1@... | 06/05/09
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3rd-party FF ClickOnce extension available.
deepsand | 06/05/09
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And
seanferd | 06/09/09
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Microsoft is Firefox's worst vulnerability
Deadly Ernest | 06/08/09
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indeed
apotheon | 06/08/09
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Oh, I'm sure I do, use FireFox on a non-Windows enrionment
Deadly Ernest | 06/09/09
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ahem
apotheon | 06/09/09
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good for you, keep it up. (NT)
Deadly Ernest | 06/09/09
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RE: Microsoft may be Firefox's worst vulnerability
craigkra@... | 06/09/09
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One answer for you
Deadly Ernest | 06/09/09
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Not necessarily so.
deepsand | 06/17/09
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All Fixed Now in FF V3.0.11
aockrim@... | 06/22/09
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Not on the 5 machines I've checked.
deepsand | 06/22/09
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Wait for your next windows update
Tony Hopkinson | 06/24/09
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MS provided the fix, not FF
deepsand | 06/26/09
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yeah they did AFTER they created a problem that need never
Deadly Ernest | 06/26/09
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Not the point.
deepsand | 06/27/09
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Not true
nikkineccle@... | 06/29/09
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Lies?
deepsand | 06/29/09
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The Emperor's New Clothes.
deepsand | 07/02/09
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It's more a case of people telling the truth about the evil Stalin
Deadly Ernest | 07/02/09
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The Prince chose his own wardrobe. Deal with it.
deepsand | 07/03/09
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No he didn't, to make any application work with any version
Deadly Ernest | 07/03/09
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Not so.
deepsand | 07/04/09
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Sorry, but I'll believe what MS staff tell me on this one
Deadly Ernest | 07/04/09
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Maybe he likes making his OS crash.
apotheon | 07/04/09
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Gross exaggerations based on misrepresentations?
deepsand | 07/05/09
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I do NOT currently write apps for direct use with MS Windows
Deadly Ernest | 07/05/09
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The issue does not involve resource management by the OS.
deepsand | 07/05/09
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What?
apotheon | 07/06/09
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Your zealotry is showing.
deepsand | 07/06/09
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Gee, that's a strong argument.
apotheon | 07/06/09
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Study real hard, and you might yet get your wish.
deepsand | 07/06/09
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Just . . . wow.
apotheon | 07/04/09
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Through the Looking Glass
deepsand | 07/05/09
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It's all you, man.
apotheon | 07/06/09
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Down yet another rabbit hole.
deepsand | 07/06/09
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holy cow
apotheon | 07/06/09
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Lead by example.
deepsand | 07/06/09
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The truth comes out.
apotheon | 07/03/09
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I grow confused, now
santeewelding@... | 07/03/09
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I grow annoyed.
apotheon | 07/03/09
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I do say what I mean.
santeewelding@... | 07/03/09
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You speak of your own
santeewelding@... | 07/03/09
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not really
apotheon | 07/03/09
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Lay off the DSM
santeewelding@... | 07/03/09
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And yet, apotheon, you tolerate your own.
deepsand | 07/04/09
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Yeah . . .
apotheon | 07/04/09
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Well, that was certainly professional!
deepsand | 07/05/09
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Total BS.
deepsand | 07/04/09
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I do deal with it . . .
apotheon | 07/04/09
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Try dealing with it a little more professionally.
deepsand | 07/05/09
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three things
apotheon | 07/06/09
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You lost it at "troll." [eom]
deepsand | 07/06/09
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Why was Safari not so afflicted?
deepsand | 07/05/09
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update didn't include a plugin?
Neon Samurai | 07/05/09
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The update in question wasn't an IE update, but one for .NET3.
deepsand | 07/05/09
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FF uses the .net framework?
Neon Samurai | 07/05/09
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FF relies on and implicitly trusts the Registry Hive.
deepsand | 07/05/09
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isn't reading the registry a function of any Windows program?
Neon Samurai | 07/05/09
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An application need not use the Registry as its sole data store.
deepsand | 07/05/09
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That is something MS has to contend with
Neon Samurai | 07/06/09
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sharing
apotheon | 07/06/09
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Never said that FF was more or less vulnerable than others.
deepsand | 07/06/09
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The cake is a lie.
apotheon | 07/06/09
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WTF?
deepsand | 07/06/09
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if you'll accept a third party comment then I'm backing out of this
Neon Samurai | 07/07/09
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nope
apotheon | 07/06/09
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In theory, yes,
deepsand | 07/06/09
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In practice . . .
apotheon | 07/06/09
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Relevance?
deepsand | 07/06/09
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another example
apotheon | 07/07/09
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no
apotheon | 07/06/09
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So what?
deepsand | 07/06/09
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egad
apotheon | 07/06/09
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More so than you seemingly do to your own. [eom]
deepsand | 07/06/09
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Where's the /ignore button on this thing?
apotheon | 07/07/09
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