REAL ID in a nutshell
apotheon | 01/08/09
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We don't need to stinkin' Big Brother
Sterling "Chip" Camden | 01/08/09
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With corporate intrusion a half-second behind
seanferd | 01/12/09
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little difference
apotheon | 01/12/09
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Aye.
seanferd | 01/14/09
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Right,
TonytheTiger | 01/14/09
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I almost opted for the choice
The Scummy One | 01/08/09
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I went for the "good idea, poorly executed' option.
Palmetto | 01/08/09
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I'm with you on this one
NickNielsen | 01/11/09
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IDs, et cetera
apotheon | 01/11/09
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ss
pgit | 01/12/09
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There's mandatory, and there's mandatory.
apotheon | 01/12/09
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Standard <> Mandatory
FatNGristle | 01/13/09
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exactly
apotheon | 01/13/09
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Real SSN vs Fake SSN
Palmetto | 01/13/09
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@Palmetto: fraud?
Sterling "Chip" Camden | 01/13/09
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Chip, please re-read the post.
Palmetto | 01/13/09
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National ID
scarville@... | 01/13/09
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A military ID is NOT a National ID.
deepsand | 01/21/09
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Would the following scenario be eliminated by REAL ID?
Jlona | 01/14/09
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Incidental update
Palmetto | 01/14/09
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My point exactly
Jlona | 01/14/09
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I agree with you
Palmetto | 01/14/09
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choice words
pgit | 01/12/09
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Truth be told
spam2@... | 01/12/09
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Whaddya mean "can be"
TonytheTiger | 01/14/09
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yep!
pgit | 01/15/09
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When in school
The Scummy One | 01/15/09
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ah, Novell in school... fond memories
Neon Samurai | 01/15/09
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During this course
The Scummy One | 01/15/09
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a good teacher does make a difference
Neon Samurai | 01/16/09
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good teacher indeed...
pgit | 01/17/09
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RE: REAL ID in a nutshell
SSkawronska@... | 01/08/09
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If it's anything like the bogus Clear pass, then NOOOOOOO
jmgarvin | 01/08/09
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I think everyone is saying
santeewelding@... | 01/08/09
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No trial by ordeal, thanks for asking
Sterling "Chip" Camden | 01/09/09
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Thank you
santeewelding@... | 01/09/09
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You're doing it wrong.
apotheon | 01/09/09
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Alas
santeewelding@... | 01/09/09
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Christians weren't the first to believe that
Sterling "Chip" Camden | 01/10/09
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And it all follows
w2ktechman | 01/10/09
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Yes: The desired result
seanferd | 01/12/09
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RE: REAL ID in a nutshell
z0phi3l@... | 01/08/09
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It's more like mixed nuts.
apotheon | 01/08/09
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Got foresight?
boxfiddler | 01/09/09
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It's about liberty, not conspiracies
Sterling "Chip" Camden | 01/09/09
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Not nuts...
JCitizen | 01/13/09
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RE: REAL ID in a nutshell
picobot@... | 01/09/09
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Tin foil, aisle 9.
Palmetto | 01/09/09
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uh huh
picobot@... | 01/09/09
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I must say
DMambo | 01/09/09
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Thanks, but this frightened child misspoke.
Palmetto | 01/09/09
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They shouldn't have let you post...
Sterling "Chip" Camden | 01/10/09
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That's just as misleading as UFO denial
seanferd | 01/12/09
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There is Tinfoil then there is Tinfoil
scarville@... | 01/13/09
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Okay, that's a hoot.
Palmetto | 01/13/09
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Aluminum soup pot...
boxfiddler | 01/09/09
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normally steel melts at 1510?C but the CIA lowered it on 9/11
kpthottam@... | 01/14/09
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Close, but wrong timeline
Palmetto | 01/14/09
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Now you've gone and done it...
CaptBilly1Eye | 01/14/09
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Did I miss a sarcasm tag?
NickNielsen | 01/14/09
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No molten steel in the basement?
kpthottam@... | 01/14/09
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BTW Eagar logic pseudo explains only for the floors with fires
kpthottam@... | 01/14/09
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Get your eyes fixed
NickNielsen | 01/14/09
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It isn't a pack of cards, there were bolts, rivets holding them together
kpthottam@... | 01/15/09
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So what you're saying
NickNielsen | 01/15/09
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Your right they couldn't...
JCitizen | 01/15/09
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momentum transfer calculation
kpthottam@... | 01/16/09
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That's a good analysis
NickNielsen | 01/16/09
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Not to mention....
JCitizen | 01/16/09
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Mmmmmm . . . agnesium.
apotheon | 01/17/09
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Yes, and with a little oxygen...
JCitizen | 01/17/09
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Following
santeewelding@... | 01/18/09
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Its just one example...
JCitizen | 01/18/09
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floor joists analysis and more
kpthottam@... | 01/19/09
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Are you kidding?
NickNielsen | 01/19/09
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you just echoed what is explained in the link I provided
kpthottam@... | 01/20/09
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Poor choice of words
NickNielsen | 01/20/09
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how many core columns?
kpthottam@... | 01/20/09
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Again I ask...are you kidding?
NickNielsen | 01/20/09
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empirical analysis makes the difference for me
kpthottam@... | 01/21/09
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All things considered . . .
apotheon | 01/21/09
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I must agree with apotheon here
seanferd | 01/22/09
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I thought as well
santeewelding@... | 01/22/09
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Thus is the danger of ranging off topic..
JCitizen | 01/22/09
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Here's your true conspiracy theorist
Sterling "Chip" Camden | 01/09/09
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well if you lack the data...
picobot@... | 01/09/09
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Barker at the entrance
santeewelding@... | 01/09/09
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Better leave a trail of thread
Sterling "Chip" Camden | 01/10/09
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two things
apotheon | 01/09/09
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so then you think...
picobot@... | 01/09/09
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There's more than one side of each story . . .
apotheon | 01/09/09
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Also remember the #1 rule of US intelligence
Sterling "Chip" Camden | 01/10/09
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Are you dumb or just stupid?
jdclyde | 01/09/09
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You're not being nice to the new kid.
Palmetto | 01/09/09
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Ok, how about this
jdclyde | 01/09/09
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actually, I'm an IT professional and...
picobot@... | 01/09/09
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Prove a negative . . . ?
apotheon | 01/09/09
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"thats the reason they installed bush in the first place"
Palmetto | 01/09/09
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-- You Dont Know
The Scummy One | 01/09/09
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HA!..LOL!... (NT)
JCitizen | 01/13/09
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Uh, 5:40pm?
Sterling "Chip" Camden | 01/10/09
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Fact Checking -- oops
w2ktechman | 01/10/09
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What I liked
NickNielsen | 01/11/09
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I caught onto that too
w2ktechman | 01/12/09
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Actually, I'm a trained structural engineer...
JCitizen | 01/13/09
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Prison sex?
jdclyde | 01/14/09
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Evacuation...
JCitizen | 01/15/09
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You had better be careful....
CaptBilly1Eye | 01/14/09
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HA!.. MIB!! Good one Cap'n!! ....=)
JCitizen | 01/15/09
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What amazes me about conspiracy theorists
neilb@... | 01/09/09
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Oooh
santeewelding@... | 01/09/09
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That's not the biggest.
apotheon | 01/09/09
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That's pretty big
santeewelding@... | 01/14/09
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Antithesis
boxfiddler | 01/14/09
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Complement
santeewelding@... | 01/14/09
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Thank you.
boxfiddler | 01/14/09
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nah
apotheon | 01/14/09
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When you want to be
santeewelding@... | 01/14/09
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By any chance
jdclyde | 01/09/09
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I hadn't but I've just watched it
neilb@... | 01/09/09
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who dropped a mud puppy in the urinal
jdclyde | 01/09/09
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Pity.
boxfiddler | 01/09/09
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The only GOOD mud puppy
jdclyde | 01/09/09
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I was talking about
boxfiddler | 01/09/09
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@boxfiddler re: crawdads
Sterling "Chip" Camden | 01/10/09
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@sterling...
boxfiddler | 01/10/09
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I went all over the place
santeewelding@... | 01/09/09
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A partial link
jdclyde | 01/09/09
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Thank you so much, jd
santeewelding@... | 01/09/09
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This is what I watched first
neilb@... | 01/10/09
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the link
picobot@... | 01/12/09
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No, that's not THE link
Palmetto | 01/12/09
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We've already been there
NickNielsen | 01/11/09
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He may also wish
santeewelding@... | 01/11/09
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But that would require s/h/it were to open his/her/it's mind
jdclyde | 01/11/09
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That sounds interesting
NickNielsen | 01/14/09
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Probably not
santeewelding@... | 01/14/09
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Privacy-Anonymity Security-Transparency
bboyd@... | 01/09/09
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With Interest
The Scummy One | 01/09/09
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Coincidence? Or something more?!?
DMambo | 01/09/09
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Better play TAPS
Sterling "Chip" Camden | 01/10/09
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You mean it's NOT
Jaqui | 01/09/09
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Actually it's a world wide signon
doug@... | 01/12/09
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Quit screwing around. Just chip me.
doug@... | 01/12/09
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Oh Brave New World
Sterling "Chip" Camden | 01/12/09
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3 forms?
pgit | 01/12/09
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The problem . . .
apotheon | 01/12/09
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No, the problem is that we accept it.
doug@... | 01/13/09
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Yes but
wayoutinva | 01/13/09
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No cancer.
doug@... | 01/14/09
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No cancer?
NickNielsen | 01/14/09
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Everything causes cancer.
apotheon | 01/14/09
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Just ask Joe Jackson.
boxfiddler | 01/14/09
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Cancer is hereditary in lab rats. No text.
Palmetto | 01/14/09
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They shouldn't smoke, either.
santeewelding@... | 01/14/09
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Now wait a minute
NickNielsen | 01/14/09
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RE: REAL ID in a nutshell
david.shane@... | 01/13/09
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Yep
wayoutinva | 01/13/09
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The states have to go along.
doug@... | 01/14/09
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Damn, that's depressing.
apotheon | 01/14/09
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Please reference my other post to you on States powers..
JCitizen | 01/16/09
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Self--defeating System
gary@... | 01/13/09
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frangible bullets
apotheon | 01/13/09
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Nobody cares if mistakes are made.
doug@... | 01/14/09
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REAL ID: Welcome to the United Fear States of America
jgmsys@... | 01/13/09
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Hmmm...
blanchoid@... | 01/13/09
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Are you sure about that?
apotheon | 01/13/09
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Ever flown to Israel?
Palmetto | 01/13/09
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Hmmm...
blanchoid@... | 01/13/09
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Don't need it, Don't want it!
blanchoid@... | 01/13/09
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England is already requiring RFID id's
doug@... | 01/14/09
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I live at the border. We need a TRUE delimeter other than a broken fence.
Photogenic Memory | 01/13/09
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I can't support the card as currently proposed,
Palmetto | 01/13/09
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You didn't see the updated plans
jdclyde | 01/14/09
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You're joking, but
Palmetto | 01/14/09
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drone planes help
jdclyde | 01/14/09
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illegal arms smuggling
apotheon | 01/14/09
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Absolutely Incorrect Ap.
Photogenic Memory | 01/14/09
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Yup, they are already
w2ktechman | 01/14/09
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Wrong and non-sensical
Photogenic Memory | 01/14/09
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The nice thing about drones
jdclyde | 01/15/09
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Why go over the fence when you can go under.
Photogenic Memory | 01/14/09
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Over, under, or through.
Palmetto | 01/15/09
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Well, the fence idea is just misdirection
doug@... | 01/16/09
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bah, humbug
apotheon | 01/13/09
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the nice thing
jdclyde | 01/14/09
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And one you forgot.
Palmetto | 01/14/09
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A real case with Walmart
jdclyde | 01/14/09
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Clarification, please - Edited
Palmetto | 01/14/09
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You have no idea.....
jdclyde | 01/14/09
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You know what they say about assumptions
jdclyde | 01/14/09
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Well, what could be better than chips?
doug@... | 01/14/09
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And this solves what problem exactly?
The Scummy One | 01/14/09
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Cloning the chip doesn't work.
doug@... | 01/15/09
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Famous last words....
TonytheTiger | 01/15/09
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Just because it is done
The Scummy One | 01/15/09
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Do you understand what a picture is?
doug@... | 01/16/09
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People change appearance
w2ktechman | 01/16/09
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Ah yes.
boxfiddler | 01/14/09
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The Scummy One | 01/15/09
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Chips AND dip?
seanferd | 01/15/09
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An Acid dip works well
The Scummy One | 01/15/09
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Real ID, perhaps not the better idea...
JCitizen | 01/13/09
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The difference is the centralized database.
doug@... | 01/15/09
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I realize the control of the data needs to be centralized..
JCitizen | 01/15/09
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It's not that complicated.
doug@... | 01/16/09
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I agree...
JCitizen | 01/16/09
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You're right, states are free to not use digital licenses
doug@... | 01/18/09
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Laws can be repealed
NickNielsen | 01/18/09
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You niggle, Nick.
santeewelding@... | 01/18/09
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both doug and Nick
apotheon | 01/18/09
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@santee...
JCitizen | 01/18/09
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JCitizen
santeewelding@... | 01/18/09
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@santee...
JCitizen | 01/18/09
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J
santeewelding@... | 01/18/09
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Cool! Thanks for the input!....(NT)
JCitizen | 01/18/09
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What . . . would come to pass?
apotheon | 01/18/09
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indubitable...(NT)
JCitizen | 01/22/09
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Re. "Wouldn't it be much more secure if ... "
deepsand | 01/24/09
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How is this for secure?
seanferd | 02/03/09
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Oh yeah!...
JCitizen | 02/05/09
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For those who mocked the Faraday Cage wallet
seanferd | 02/05/09
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It's got rot in it - that is for sure...
JCitizen | 02/05/09
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You can clone them but you can't change them.
doug@... | 02/06/09
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You think so . . . ?
apotheon | 02/06/09
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For now, just assume an RFID-only scenario
seanferd | 02/06/09
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indeed
apotheon | 02/07/09
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Yes
seanferd | 02/07/09
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It's a bit late to be complaining
doug@... | 02/08/09
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I think that's the idea.
doug@... | 02/08/09
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Not sure
seanferd | 02/08/09
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I think that's a bad idea.
apotheon | 02/08/09
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Well, it is more secure than signets!
deepsand | 02/07/09
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This
santeewelding@... | 02/07/09
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But spectroscopic analysis of the wax
seanferd | 02/07/09
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The modern signet . . .
apotheon | 02/08/09
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Get with your new colleague, Michael
santeewelding@... | 02/08/09
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But, if it's open, then ...
deepsand | 02/11/09
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