They should be teaching Open Source software along side Microsoft software.
CPav | 07/26/09
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Show me the standard material to teach
The 'G-Man.' | 07/27/09
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a helpful URL
jck | 07/27/09
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prepared lesson plans would be a nice thing to see
Neon Samurai | 07/27/09
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spot on
jck | 07/27/09
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Hey, neither does most of the MS stuff, at best you can get is a few
Deadly Ernest | 07/27/09
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You've gotta be joking!
lastchip | 07/27/09
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I wanna believe
chris@... | 07/28/09
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Once you learn one...
Mike@... | 08/26/09
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Solitair
Neon Samurai | 08/28/09
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I teach myself........
kevaburg@... | 07/29/09
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Some logic in software
foss.paul@... | 07/29/09
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I agree
matt_chsi | 07/29/09
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Got to distinguish between Distros and linux
Tony Hopkinson | 07/29/09
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Excellent point!
Ole Man | 07/30/09
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OK, let's take your contribution further.
lastchip | 07/29/09
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IT Teacher
chippsetter@... | 07/29/09
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Can't for the life of me figure out what use MCSE would be
Tony Hopkinson | 07/29/09
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Not so, Chipsetter
NickNielsen | 07/29/09
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Schools in US
eoraptor013 | 08/04/09
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Deleted
ItIsI | 07/27/09
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HS should be about solid fundamentals
jdixon@... | 07/28/09
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Word Perfect, Lotus123, Turing
Neon Samurai | 07/28/09
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Concepts not prepared lessons
Grayhawke | 07/29/09
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High School applications
zentross | 07/28/09
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And who's fault is that?
NickNielsen | 07/28/09
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We still seek a solution
jdclyde | 07/28/09
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At the cost of other subjects??
dondor6571@... | 07/28/09
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How about if they just educate the kids
jdclyde | 07/28/09
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Tests should be a natural extension of learning
Neon Samurai | 07/29/09
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It isn't the kids focus that has changed
jdclyde | 07/29/09
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very true.. ironic.. but true
Neon Samurai | 07/29/09
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WOuld be best if tests were used as a feedback mechanism
shardeth | 08/04/09
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Licensing
mrdt | 07/27/09
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Because, They Need to Train!
thor.beresford@... | 07/27/09
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Why do we need to train?
storm14k | 07/28/09
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:^0 LMAO :^0
NickNielsen | 07/28/09
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I see your point... Every day.
aharper@... | 07/28/09
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Brilliant!!!
kevaburg@... | 07/29/09
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Absolutely!
kevindecker | 02/04/10
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Rote learning has its uses
NickNielsen | 02/04/10
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You are correct, but...
Adam S | 07/28/09
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How many IT people get application training?
aharper@... | 07/28/09
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Or
NickNielsen | 07/28/09
|
    
Excellent point.
aharper@... | 10/28/09
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It's not in their best interest to learn.
skuderjay | 07/29/09
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I don't buy it
eoraptor013 | 08/07/09
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Absolutely correct.
aharper@... | 10/28/09
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Training of concepts, not specifics
formlz | 07/29/09
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Training = Time = Money
jason.redd@... | 07/29/09
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NOT SO FAST!!
xyzxyz@... | 07/28/09
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Thats interesting...
storm14k | 07/28/09
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having used open office in win 2000 and win XP in the past, I wonder
Deadly Ernest | 07/28/09
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I've used OO (well, StarOffice) in Win2K since 2000 with no problems
NickNielsen | 07/28/09
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Caps Lock Loon
kurtesmaximus | 07/28/09
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Ummm...
aharper@... | 10/28/09
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Adaptation is more important than standards
a51ts2@... | 07/28/09
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crapple computers
Frostyone | 07/28/09
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Apple
mamies@... | 07/28/09
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I think you have missed a really important point
kevaburg@... | 07/29/09
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Technical Support
wrapper | 07/29/09
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Hmm...
amoeba@... | 07/30/09
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Do hospitals and governments use SQL?
aharper@... | 10/28/09
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Public School Technology
Rastor9 | 07/29/09
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True, but...
amoeba@... | 07/30/09
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if they go open source
Snuffy09 | 07/29/09
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Student with Phoenix University and limited education of Linux!
LuisFerrer | 07/30/09
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View from the trenches
Dr. Mac | 07/30/09
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RE: Why aren't schools adopting open source?
Jeff7181@... | 07/26/09
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that argument is now moot
jlwallen@... | 07/26/09
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RE: that argument is now moot
Jeff7181@... | 07/26/09
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passwords isn't a great example
Neon Samurai | 07/27/09
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Not Quite
InAwe | 07/27/09
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Almost quite
Tony Hopkinson | 07/27/09
|
    
Except how to use Office 2003 is diferent to Office XP, to Office Vista to
Deadly Ernest | 07/27/09
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True enough ... but ...
Osiyo53@... | 07/28/09
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I realise that some organisation have an investment in forms and
Deadly Ernest | 07/28/09
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I realise that some organisation have an investment in forms ...
Osiyo53@... | 07/28/09
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There's a hell of a difference between adding new stuff and changing
Deadly Ernest | 07/28/09
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There's a hell of a difference between ....
Osiyo53@... | 07/29/09
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The main area MS make arbirtrary changes is in the command sets
Deadly Ernest | 07/29/09
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The main area MS make arbirtrary changes ...
Osiyo53@... | 07/30/09
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Osiyo53 - This sub-thread has a bit of thread drift and stopped being
Deadly Ernest | 08/05/09
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Hmmmm ...
Osiyo53@... | 08/06/09
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Stupid? Lazy?
shardeth | 07/27/09
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Thanks.
Palmetto | 07/28/09
|
  
Sorry.....it isn't moot
kevaburg@... | 07/29/09
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Your point is taken....
tbmay | 07/29/09
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How does it serve my needs better......
kevaburg@... | 07/30/09
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It might not...
tbmay | 07/30/09
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That would be...
amoeba@... | 07/30/09
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How does it server my needs better
bmullan@... | 07/30/09
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But the money is already spent!
kevaburg@... | 07/31/09
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For now...
amoeba@... | 07/31/09
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cost of switching
marie.truman@... | 07/26/09
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RE: cost of switching
Jeff7181@... | 07/26/09
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Microsoft Software
marie.truman@... | 07/26/09
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Cost of Office
randy_scadden@... | 07/28/09
|
    
service contracts exist
Neon Samurai | 07/28/09
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Service Contracts
chippsetter@... | 07/28/09
|
     
In my small town, we had Netware servers
Neon Samurai | 07/29/09
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People may not have got fired for using MS, but projects have died
Deadly Ernest | 07/28/09
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"Number one is well if something goes horribly wrong with an Open Source pr
Ole Man | 08/05/09
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open source/schools
roy.evison@... | 07/29/09
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true but
kevaburg@... | 07/29/09
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We pay a few dollars less than Home & Student edition
Red_One | 08/01/09
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Chuckle ...
Osiyo53@... | 08/03/09
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Much of that is administrative, you could still teach
Neon Samurai | 07/27/09
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Back End Compatibilty
marie.truman@... | 07/27/09
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It's an area that could benefit from more competition
Neon Samurai | 07/27/09
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SIS
marie.truman@... | 07/27/09
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I know the feeling
Neon Samurai | 07/27/09
|
  
Learning curve differential?
shardeth | 07/27/09
|
   
Actually, Office 97 to Office 2007 is too much for some - it's why some
Deadly Ernest | 07/27/09
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Office
marie.truman@... | 07/27/09
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It is unfortunate
shardeth | 07/27/09
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I have to dispute your statement here
john3347@... | 07/28/09
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And I must dispute your dispute
Ole Man | 07/28/09
|
  
Steep learning curve?
NickNielsen | 07/28/09
|
   
Yes, I had that problem too, - nt
Deadly Ernest | 07/29/09
|
  
John, please do some research - Linux is designed to work with the
Deadly Ernest | 07/29/09
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Bravo Deadly!
Ole Man | 07/29/09
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You are wrong.
pmerchan@... | 07/29/09
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Great job of catching up???
Oz_Media | 10/29/09
|

How Ironic?
jdclyde | 07/26/09
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Unfortunately not
The Computer Doctor | 07/28/09
|
  
Example please, Doc
jdclyde | 07/28/09
|
   
A good part of the state and federal aid, JD
NickNielsen | 07/28/09
|
    
Seen it all before
jdclyde | 07/28/09
|
    
Still would like to hear why MS would be required anywhere
jdclyde | 07/28/09
|
     
Microsoft Grant
marie.truman@... | 07/29/09
|
   
That is the point though
kevaburg@... | 08/06/09
|
   
Requirements not Features
The Computer Doctor | 10/29/09
|

Why fix it?
NickNielsen | 07/26/09
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MS won't allow it
Neon Samurai | 07/27/09
|
  
Open Source in Norwegian schoolsystem
adakar_sg@... | 07/28/09
|
   
In this case
NickNielsen | 07/28/09
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Teachers should welcome new learning
Neon Samurai | 07/27/09
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I would say the problem is
SKDTech | 07/27/09
|
  
Modern world
adakar_sg@... | 07/28/09
|
   
Same old same old
minstrelmike@... | 07/31/09
|
   
There was such a program when I was in grade school
SKDTech | 07/31/09
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Welcome to "No Child Left Behind"
shardeth | 07/27/09
|
  
They leave none behind as the whole group slows to the slowest rate -nt
Deadly Ernest | 07/27/09
|
  
I think the real name of the legislation...
NotSoChiGuy | 07/27/09
|
   
I suspect
shardeth | 07/27/09
|
    
Our lovely modern aproach
Neon Samurai | 07/27/09
|
    
D@mn good & spot on point
NotSoChiGuy | 07/28/09
|
     
Revise your ONE sentence to read
Ole Man | 07/28/09
|
     
Unfortunately we have reached the point...
SKDTech | 07/31/09
|
     
Don't know about a rebuild...
shardeth | 08/04/09
|
   
A man with an eye on the future (as well as and in addition to the past)
Ole Man | 07/29/09
|
  
No teacher left standing
NickNielsen | 07/27/09
|
 
Conservative 'Old boy's club'?
InAwe | 07/27/09
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"conservative" less in the political party sense
Neon Samurai | 07/27/09
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Teachers welcoming new learning
chippsetter@... | 07/28/09
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bad argument
csmith.kaze | 07/28/09
|

What a short-sighted reply
parnote@... | 07/28/09
|

It is because the IT staff from Public schools don't know Open Source.
chris@... | 07/28/09
|
 
point and click vs CLI
csmith.kaze | 07/28/09
|
  
I appreciate your input.
chris@... | 07/29/09
|
   
GUI group management exists
Neon Samurai | 07/29/09
|
   
mostly agree
csmith.kaze | 07/29/09
|
   
Software actually IS a language, a machine language
Ole Man | 07/29/09
|
    
Bitter much?
InAwe | 07/29/09
|
     
same reason for my primary OS choice at home
Neon Samurai | 07/29/09
|
     
One SHOULD be bitter
Ole Man | 07/30/09
|
     
Sorry, my time is worth more to me
InAwe | 07/30/09
|
  
Gotta love the crusaders....
tbmay | 07/29/09
|
   
But...
amoeba@... | 07/30/09
|
 
Open Source
marie.truman@... | 07/29/09
|
  
Good to see...
tbmay | 07/30/09
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They are teachers, not techs
jdclyde | 07/26/09
|

Then do we have the wrong people teaching this subject?
Palmetto | 07/27/09
|
 
That's probably due to the syllabus - another issue is the wanted
Deadly Ernest | 07/27/09
|
 
Years ago, who should move in next door to me?
jdclyde | 07/28/09
|

"or be beneficial to the kids"
Neon Samurai | 07/27/09
|
RE: Why aren't schools adopting open source?
frankahilario | 07/26/09
|
Four reasons, in no particular order
NickNielsen | 07/26/09
|

Schools can get Win at $0
Ocker3 | 07/26/09
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That's OK, Ocker3
Ole Man | 07/29/09
|

reasons for current and ways to cause change, well said
Neon Samurai | 07/27/09
|
RE: Why aren't schools adopting open source?
TonytheTiger | 07/26/09
|
RE: Why aren't schools adopting open source?
gfranken@... | 07/26/09
|

extra cost for students
a.barry@... | 07/27/09
|
 
Yes, No, Sort of
NickNielsen | 07/27/09
|
  
If they are quibbling over doc formats and page rendering...
shardeth | 07/27/09
|
   
The fundamental educational concept of picking nits
NickNielsen | 07/27/09
|
  
Totally Bogus Treatment
CFWhitman | 07/28/09
|
   
The teacher was an adjunct
NickNielsen | 07/28/09
|
 
Home Computers
marie.truman@... | 07/27/09
|

I wish more teachers where like that
Neon Samurai | 07/27/09
|

# 2 is the #1 reason.
1bn0 | 07/27/09
|

Kudos
onthego | 07/28/09
|
I doubt you'll get a complete swicth for a long time, but
Deadly Ernest | 07/26/09
|
RE: Why aren't schools adopting open source?
jck | 07/27/09
|
Ironic timing
NotSoChiGuy | 07/27/09
|

Did he try SImplyMepis? - nt
Deadly Ernest | 07/27/09
|
 
I'll have to ask for the complete list
NotSoChiGuy | 07/27/09
|
  
I mention SImplyMepis as it has a very Win 98 - Classic Windows look
Deadly Ernest | 07/27/09
|
  
Mandriva 2008.1 may be worth a look
Neon Samurai | 07/27/09
|
   
I'm compiling my list
NotSoChiGuy | 07/27/09
|
    
Mandrivas and more of my noise
Neon Samurai | 07/27/09
|
     
I think I'll make that his final task...
NotSoChiGuy | 07/28/09
|
     
Given the source ..
Neon Samurai | 07/29/09
|
     
I would add to the list Linux Mint
Ole Man | 07/29/09
|
     
I did post his responses.....
NotSoChiGuy | 07/30/09
|
  
May also try PCLinuxOS...
amoeba@... | 07/29/09
|
   
Thank you for the suggestion!
NotSoChiGuy | 07/29/09
|

Could he figure out the steps needed for the project?
Neon Samurai | 07/27/09
|
 
Let's put it this way
NotSoChiGuy | 07/27/09
|
  
Interesting
dwdino | 07/27/09
|
   
not if you choose a turnkey solution that happens to be FOSS developed
Neon Samurai | 07/27/09
|
No money here but new Macs in the lab
zeke123 | 07/27/09
|

Seems like the kids at the French school...
NotSoChiGuy | 07/28/09
|
For the same reason. . . . . .
maxwell edison | 07/27/09
|
RE: Why aren't schools adopting open source?
jo281105 | 07/27/09
|

And as such not legally enforceable under Austrlian consumer,
Deadly Ernest | 07/28/09
|
 
ELUA
chippsetter@... | 07/28/09
|
  
Most of the problem stuff in the MS EULA did NOT exist in other
Deadly Ernest | 07/29/09
|
Why aren't libraries adopting open source?
Maluvia | 07/28/09
|
Money
csmith.kaze | 07/28/09
|

"The cries for higher taxes will go unheard...
NotSoChiGuy | 07/28/09
|
RE: Why aren't schools adopting open source?
golden.kenneth@... | 07/28/09
|
Because it makes the most sense, DUH!
isaacmjohnson@... | 07/28/09
|
Because it doesn't make sense. RE: Why aren't schools adopting open source?
LePlorg | 07/28/09
|

Do you have ANY idea how many packages (programs) are available for Linux?
Ole Man | 07/30/09
|
 
Oh stop that was weak..
larry@... | 07/30/09
|
  
Question...
amoeba@... | 07/30/09
|
LEARNING CONCEPTS v SPECIFICS
rfolden@... | 07/28/09
|

Here's a concept
Lab309 | 08/05/09
|
RE: Why aren't schools adopting open source?
andy@... | 07/28/09
|
Because they don't need to
madmalc567 | 07/28/09
|

That ain't necessarily so...
mitch@... | 07/28/09
|
My experience with a college IT dept ... ridiculous!
parnote@... | 07/28/09
|

And on the other hand...
InAwe | 07/29/09
|
RE: Why aren't schools adopting open source?
mitch@... | 07/28/09
|

You expected different?
NickNielsen | 07/28/09
|
RE: Why aren't schools adopting open source?
gclarkso@... | 07/28/09
|

RE: Why aren't schools adopting open source?
gclarkso@... | 07/28/09
|
One disturbing trend I keep seeing in the replies is the
Deadly Ernest | 07/28/09
|

I agree
kevaburg@... | 08/05/09
|
Students don't know the difference
techrepublic@... | 07/28/09
|

Teachers, Administrators, Students and IT
marianne.popp@... | 07/28/09
|
 
If they already know Linux...
amoeba@... | 07/29/09
|
RE: Why aren't schools adopting open source?
Oz_Media | 07/28/09
|

Your Criticize America rants are becoming a bore
maxwell edison | 07/28/09
|
 
How can he criticise when.........
kevaburg@... | 08/05/09
|
RE: Why aren't schools adopting open source?
ddsessoms | 07/28/09
|
Schools should not adopt open source,,
larry@... | 07/28/09
|

open source does not mean linux
jdclyde | 07/28/09
|
The Answer: No Certification Tests for OSS
jcooke@... | 07/28/09
|

no certification???
uli.fuerst@... | 07/28/09
|

SC was doing the same thing
NickNielsen | 07/28/09
|
Training the Trainers
Adam S | 07/28/09
|
RE: Why aren't schools adopting open source?
NCWeber | 07/28/09
|

I've certainly seen...
tbmay | 07/29/09
|
 
Understanding Catholic Schools
NCWeber | 07/30/09
|
  
That is so true...
amoeba@... | 07/30/09
|
The real answers
aharper@... | 07/28/09
|
RE: Why aren't schools adopting open source?
techrepublic.com.com@... | 07/28/09
|
RE: Why aren't schools adopting open source?
chippsetter@... | 07/28/09
|
Teachers are the problem
jkiernan@... | 07/28/09
|

School IT
csmith.kaze | 07/28/09
|
 
I would argue that Gov oversight is the problem
SKDTech | 07/31/09
|
RE: Why aren't schools adopting open source?
dukethepcdr@... | 07/28/09
|

YES!
greghejl@... | 07/28/09
|
 
Fair assessment
tbmay | 07/29/09
|
 
poor guy
csmith.kaze | 07/29/09
|

Whew, one at a time:
csmith.kaze | 07/29/09
|
It's modern teaching practices that are the problem
ralph.seeley@... | 07/29/09
|
RE: Why aren't schools adopting open source?
inject_yourself_with_liberty@... | 07/29/09
|
They need help!
Tai Chi Bear | 07/29/09
|
RE: Why aren't schools adopting open source?
beldar33@... | 07/29/09
|

From a University lecturer
pmerchan@... | 07/29/09
|

Not trying to be too picky but
Tony Hopkinson | 07/29/09
|
 
But - Networked games?
pmerchan@... | 07/29/09
|
  
Depends
Tony Hopkinson | 07/29/09
|

oh beldar!
Red_One | 08/01/09
|
RE: Why aren't schools adopting open source?
bmullan@... | 07/29/09
|

Good post
tbmay | 07/30/09
|
 
Consultants & Open Source
bmullan@... | 07/31/09
|
RE: Why aren't schools adopting open source?
LuisFerrer | 07/29/09
|
After reading many of the posts here, I think what we
Deadly Ernest | 08/03/09
|
Is it a generating issue with the IT guys at the schools?
leo315 | 08/06/09
|

That's a real problem right there
Neon Samurai | 08/06/09
|

Convincing the old guard
bmullan@... | 08/29/09
|
Schools teach the most relevant skills
Oz_Media | 10/29/09
|