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Will Windows 7 be adopted by businesses? Could Google Android make a splash on netbooks? The bigger question we should be asking is, “Does the OS still matter?” And if it doesn’t, then what does that mean?

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Microsoft knew this day was coming. This was the reason it desperately wanted — no, needed — to take down Netscape in 1996. Netscape wasn’t just trying to build a program for reading text and photos across a network of connected computers. Netscape was trying to build a new platform - the ultimate platform - to run software and share information instantly and on a global scale. And no one understood that better than Bill Gates.

Gates had recognized a similar shift a little over a decade earlier when he first saw Steve Jobs’ Apple Macintosh and its graphical user interface. Gates knew it would make his text-based operating system, DOS, irrelevant. So he created Windows and eventually stole Jobs’ thunder.

It took Gates slightly longer to pick up on the power of the Web, but once he did he immediately grasped its potential to make Windows irrelevant. That’s why he catalyzed Microsoft to create Internet Explorer and drive Netscape into oblivion, by any means necessary. By 2000, Microsoft had pulled off the great reversal, taking 80% share of the Web browser market, which Netscape had dominated at 80% just four years earlier (see chart below).

(Graphic by Wereon for Wikipedia)

All of this was based on the idea that the Web browser would become the universal computing platform. But it didn’t happen overnight. It didn’t happen in 1996. It didn’t happen in 2000. It didn’t even happen in 2007 - the year Windows Vista arrived while the tech world was fixated on Web 2.0 and “cloud computing.”

There are a lot of reasons for the failure of Windows Vista, but in retrospect the biggest reason was that the OS simply didn’t matter that much anymore. Most of the consumers who ended up with Vista simply got it because it came installed when they bought a new computer. The vast majority of them never chose Vista.

The group that did have a choice with Vista was businesses and they chose to avoid it, although not because of any inherent inferiority of Vista. Vista has been very usable since Service Pack 1 and since vendors finally updated their software and drivers to work with it by early-2008. The problem was that there was never a compelling reason to upgrade to Vista. It was the software equivalent of repainting a room and rearranging the furniture.

Now we have lots techies singing the praises of Vista’s successor, Windows 7, which will be released later this year. I just got finished testing Windows 7 for two months. I used it as my primary production machine at the office every day. I installed it on a high-powered 64-bit Hewlett-Packard desktop machine. I loaded all my apps on it. It worked fine. However, my conclusion on Windows 7 was, “So what?” There’s nothing in Windows 7 that matters. In fact, the computer operating system has never mattered less than it does today.

As some commentators have suggested, there may be a bunch of IT departments that adopt Windows 7, but if they do it will be out of annoyance and necessity (if Microsoft finally phases out Windows XP) and not out of the desire to benefit from any major advances in Windows 7. There are none.

It didn’t used to be this way. Installing a new operating system used to be like getting a whole new computer. Installing Windows 95 over Windows 3.1? That was a huge improvement. Installing Windows 2000 on top of Windows 95? That was a big leap forward. There were reasons to upgrade back then, for example:

  • Windows 95 - Greatly simplified interface; much more friendly to the average user
  • Windows 98 - Improved multimedia capabilities and built-in Internet functionality
  • Windows 2000 - Industrial-strength Windows NT code base, but in a much more polished package
  • Windows XP - Unified the Win9x and WinNT/2K code bases; allowed businesses to standardize on one OS
  • Windows Vista - ?
  • Windows 7 - ?

Part of what’s going here is that the computer operating system has achieved a level of maturity and efficiency. You could even say that work on the OS has reached a point of diminishing returns. How much more efficiency can we wring out of it? What other major innovations are waiting out there?

Some claim that touch-based interfaces are the next major leap forward for the OS. I would argue that touch will have very limited and specific uses and will mostly be used in usage scenarios with short bursts of activity and not for prolonged work or data entry.

It’s possible that a combination of voice and touch could revolutionize the user interface (and thus the OS), or that another major innovation could make it faster and simpler for humans to work with computers, but for now the keyboard and mouse are as efficient as it gets. And, as a result, the computer OS has stagnated.

And, of course, the other thing that’s going on is that the Web browser is finally usurping the OS as the universal platform that was envisioned back in the mid-1990s. Please note that I’m not talking about cloud computing or software-as-a-service (SaaS). While applications and services delivered over the Internet are certainly part of the ascendency of the Web browser, they still have not reached critical mass in the business world and the trend is bigger than that.

What we’re seeing is that many businesses are using the Web browser as the front-end application to access private, back-end systems, from databases to CRM to ERP to payroll to corporate portals. And, why not? Since most users are very familiar and comfortable with Web navigation and Web forms, these corporate systems can tap into that experience to provide applications that have an easier learning curve than Windows-based business apps with their unique menus and interfaces.

If you combine that with the fact that many users now keep their personal e-mail and files in Web-based systems such as Yahoo Mail and Google Docs, you have a situation in which the average user spends most of her computer time in a Web browser.

That’s why tabs have become a standard feature on all of the major Web browsers, because most users now have multiple Web sites open in the same way as having multiple applications open in an operating system.

Today, when I go to a new system or reinstall the operating system on an existing system, the first two things I do are to install Firefox and then Xmarks (formerly Foxmarks), which syncs all of my bookmarks. Those bookmarks include links to all the Web-based applications and tools that I use at work. Once that’s done, I can do 80% of my work without installing another application. And I can do those two steps on Mac OS X or Linux or Windows XP or Windows 7. It doesn’t matter.

Now, I’m not saying that the OS never matters anymore. Clearly it still matters for netbooks, which didn’t take off until they started offering Windows XP as an installation option - but that’s because users are much comfortable with XP than some of the unfamiliar Linux interfaces that came on early netbooks. Since netbooks are mostly about Web browsing and e-mail, you could see Google Android become a popular netbook platform, especially if it’s super-simple and has a lower price tag.

The other place where the OS still matters is on the smartphone, but the smartphone is at the state of development and adoption that the PC was two decades ago - although it is going to accelerate even faster.

Platforms such as the iPhone and Palm’s forthcoming webOS have shown that there’s still a lot of room for OS innovation in the smartphone market. But, the biggest benefit of both those platforms is a better and more standard Web experience. As more smartphones adopt the same approach, the distinctiveness and importance of the smartphone OS will naturally diminish. The most important thing will be that a user can access Outlook, Gmail, Twitter, and online communities on a smartphone with the same ease as on a PC.

Twenty years ago, we thought the computer was the revolution, but it wasn’t. The advent of the Internet - and the Web browser as one of the ways to harness it - has shown us that the revolution is actually in communications and the dissemination of information. The computer will be to the Information Revolution as the assembly line was to the Industrial Revolution. It will simply be one of the catalysts that helped make it happen.

In the same way, the computer OS simply doesn’t mean as much as it once did, or at least as much as we once thought it did. But, then again, all of us (including Bill Gates) knew this day was coming.

Have we arrived in the post-OS era?

  • Yes (51%)
  • No (49%)

Total Votes: 1,760

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Did you think it would take this long for the Web browser to trump the OS? Jason HinerTechrepublic Moderator | 04/20/09
Bios / OS integration mand78 | 04/20/09
Look at Splastop Dumphrey | 04/20/09
Perhaps the ultimate secure, OS?... JCitizen | 04/21/09
An OS without updates landen99@... | 04/24/09
Why not a downloading OS? JCitizen | 04/24/09
Why not VDI for the home user? jeff_oconnell@... | 04/25/09
There ya go! Thats what I'm talking about... JCitizen | 04/25/09
The End of Personal Computing vucliriel@... | 04/25/09
Please forgive my point of view... JCitizen | 04/26/09
Yes, computing is going full circle. jeff_oconnell@... | 04/26/09
I'm with you guys. darpoke | 04/27/09
@ jeff_oconnel "yes, computing has gone full circle" vucliriel@... | 04/27/09
What can I say ... jeff_oconnell@... | 04/27/09
@What can I say ... vucliriel@... | 04/28/09
Re: Bios / OS integration smokeytheblair@... | 04/20/09
Have you tried Mac OS X? darpoke | 04/21/09
how it could be done SCHUTZENGEL1@... | 04/21/09
Acess to Web Browser emets2@... | 04/20/09
Answers Kim SJ | 04/20/09
Development of new web apps joeller | 04/20/09
Support for web browsers eantonorsi@... | 04/20/09
No problems with FF here but not a long list of bank sites either Neon Samurai | 04/20/09
How secure can that bank be? Greg Mix | 04/20/09
Dying to get robbed? jpb@... | 04/20/09
Make it think Firefox is IE MPG187 | 04/21/09
Good question.. JCitizen | 04/21/09
not hard to do Neon Samurai | 04/21/09
transparent web access... straightlineeng@... | 04/20/09
I totally agree pepumariusdoru | 04/20/09
Where to you develop joeller | 04/20/09
I think he means "web developer" Spiritusindomit@... | 04/20/09
Walking with blinders on? jpb@... | 04/20/09
No, i do not pepumariusdoru | 04/20/09
I am a Web developer joeller | 04/21/09
Browser in BIOS - it's already here. nick@... | 04/20/09
Another Windows... who cares? dbain2k@... | 04/20/09
I think there's the case for a class action... Kim SJ | 04/20/09
right on queue... buddyfarr | 04/20/09
Not really garyleroy@... | 04/20/09
yes and yes chris@... | 04/20/09
force of Vista fccymis@... | 04/20/09
how so? SCHUTZENGEL1@... | 04/21/09
Majority of which tasks joeller | 04/20/09
Can't speak to the others, but Oracle... markh@... | 04/20/09
Oracle 10G front-end joeller | 04/21/09
With the Sun Oracle merger... JCitizen | 04/21/09
Vista Difference Michael.Underwood@... | 04/20/09
Yup! dbain2k@... | 04/20/09
WEPOS=Microsft's admission that XP wins davida@... | 04/20/09
Except... Spiritusindomit@... | 04/20/09
You're lying, here's how we can tell... Spiritusindomit@... | 04/20/09
And you're mistaken. Palmetto | 04/20/09
Sorry... dbain2k@... | 04/20/09
Windows 2000 is not a Server OS???? joeller | 04/21/09
I think you missed the point darryl@... | 04/21/09
Missed the disclaimer joeller | 04/23/09
At least do some research before jumping in there Bizzo | 04/23/09
Win ME was based on Win 2K? In what universe? deepsand | 04/23/09
20 seconds...? Spiritusindomit@... | 04/20/09
Browser in MB oldhippe@... | 04/20/09
Dear god.. pickleman | 04/20/09
I didn't read it that way... JCitizen | 04/21/09
A browser is NOT an operating system. pickleman | 04/27/09
I think you're worrying too much about the words darpoke | 04/27/09
Os will be relevant syedsalmanakbar@... | 04/20/09
Perhaps the distinction between PC and Workstation will re-emerge. Kim SJ | 04/20/09
I see where you're coming from... Slvrknght | 04/20/09
bandwidth buddyfarr | 04/20/09
I agree... sarah.pierce@... | 04/20/09
Don't worry... JCitizen | 04/21/09
Web Based Graphic Editors Kingbackwards | 04/20/09
Well here is an article supporting my claim syedsalmanakbar@... | 05/25/09
Moving as little as a Gig into the cloud is painfully slow. deepsand | 05/25/09
Amazon seems to be pushing shipped media Neon Samurai | 05/26/09
Useful for initialization of large files. deepsand | 05/26/09
Cost vs Speed. Kingbackwards | 05/28/09
" ... approaching a point ..." deepsand | 05/28/09
Not about the Cloud Kingbackwards | 05/29/09
No but it still hasn't trumped the OS either. bbrumfield@... | 04/20/09
Maybe as it is packaged now aroper@... | 04/20/09
I am in total agreement... dcolbert@... | 04/20/09
WebTV: a success? thisisfutile | 04/20/09
WebTV is around, but via golf-course deals avidtrober@... | 04/21/09
Microsoft owns it jeslurkin | 10/21/09
I agree. aspoor@... | 04/20/09
It will take a long time because of the economics. macsales@... | 04/20/09
It's all about your definitions DT Tech | 04/20/09
It's not about definitions. It's about having a clue. pickleman | 04/20/09
Wow. I guess I struck a nerve DT Tech | 04/21/09
It's sure hard to know how to respond darpoke | 04/21/09
Not to mention the erroneous statement... JCitizen | 04/21/09
my understanding also, Darwin is a BSD derivitive Neon Samurai | 04/21/09
Thanks neon... JCitizen | 04/21/09
the ZNet forums... Neon Samurai | 04/22/09
going OT here, but darpoke | 04/22/09
The only ACLs I've worked with... JCitizen | 04/23/09
ZNet Forums revisited joeller | 04/23/09
Whoa, nice correlation darpoke | 04/23/09
ZDNet and competition Neon Samurai | 04/23/09
Full competition leads to monopoly joeller | 05/04/09
As a pure extrapolation darpoke | 05/05/09
darpok, my understanding also Neon Samurai | 05/05/09
Thanks, Neon darpoke | 05/06/09
Depends on the Laws joeller | 05/06/09
Not Yet but... dennis@... | 04/20/09
Maybe, but probably not bsauer@... | 04/20/09
and when desktop PCs came out... Kim SJ | 04/20/09
Not to sound skeptical, but darpoke | 04/28/09
Am I living in an alternate universe? Ian Thurston | 04/20/09
True Web Apps or IE apps chris@... | 04/20/09
I don't think the OS will ever not matter SinisterSlay | 04/20/09
Right On! vucliriel@... | 04/21/09
It's a sad state of affairs... vucliriel@... | 04/20/09
Why couldn't the browser port to a drive? JCitizen | 04/21/09
Removal of choice has always been a disservice to the user darpoke | 04/28/09
Hence my original comments ;) vucliriel@... | 04/28/09
I think the problem is economics. darpoke | 04/29/09
Tunnel Vision jeff_oconnell@... | 04/20/09
Thanks Jason Meesha | 04/21/09
Follow the money jhoward@... | 04/21/09
Question assumes fact not in evidence. deepsand | 04/21/09
Connectivity ndibongo@... | 04/22/09
what will run the global abiquitous system we connect too? Neon Samurai | 04/22/09
Connectively between what? deepsand | 04/22/09
RTFA, guys darpoke | 04/23/09
The bootable browser that came and went and nobody cared jeff_oconnell@... | 04/23/09
started in win95 Neon Samurai | 04/24/09
it was 95 SinisterSlay | 04/24/09
Never had problems with 98SE crashing; and, still don't. deepsand | 04/25/09
I'd love to say hardware or drivers, but I just don't know SinisterSlay | 04/26/09
98 was a very very good OS joeller | 04/30/09
You can add my two thumbs up for win98SE... vucliriel@... | 04/30/09
98 vs XP MPG187 | 05/05/09
Actually , I have a theory darpoke | 05/06/09
Every wants computers like Majel Barret joeller | 05/06/09
@ 98 vs XP - Try XP Micro! vucliriel@... | 05/06/09
@ Actually , I have a theory vucliriel@... | 05/06/09
Does XP Micro get updates? (nt) Neon Samurai | 05/06/09
@vucliriel darpoke | 05/07/09
@ Does XP Micro get updates? (nt) vucliriel@... | 05/07/09
That's fascinating. darpoke | 05/08/09
jury is still deliberating over Windows7 Neon Samurai | 05/08/09
@ That's fascinating. vucliriel@... | 05/09/09
They only have themselves to blame, too. darpoke | 05/11/09
@ @ That's fascinating // @ They've only have themselves ... joeller | 05/11/09
@ joeller, in response to your previous post. vucliriel@... | 05/12/09
exposed is not open Neon Samurai | 05/12/09
It's still *cathedral* vs. *bazaar* darpoke | 05/12/09
Hey Darpoke, I've been athinkin' about your comments re Deadly Ernest | 05/13/09
Yep. darpoke | 05/14/09
I would suggest one adjustment.. business goal Neon Samurai | 05/14/09
Natch. darpoke | 05/14/09
In this case, successful total war means death Neon Samurai | 05/14/09
War always means the death of diversity darpoke | 05/15/09
@ Neon and Darpoke :D vucliriel@... | 05/15/09
Darpoke, I think there may be a bit of confusion going on here - Deadly Ernest | 05/16/09
Confusion? In apperance, maybe! vucliriel@... | 05/16/09
Vucliriel - your points on the different approaches are right Deadly Ernest | 05/16/09
I think we both agree, Deadly Ernest :) vucliriel@... | 05/17/09
I thought maybe he was talking about... JCitizen | 04/24/09
"the whole psychology of it?" deepsand | 04/24/09
Exactly, jeff_oconnell@... | 04/25/09
Remember Windows 98 'Lite' and 'Micro'? vucliriel@... | 04/25/09
I like your industrial comparison... JCitizen | 06/06/09
Windows Core joeller | 04/30/09
Could you be more specific? vucliriel@... | 04/30/09
Linux From Scratch Neon Samurai | 04/30/09
Explanation from Windows 2008 Server Core Installation Manual joeller | 05/01/09
@ Linux from scratch... About Compatibility and Code Efficiency vucliriel@... | 05/01/09
partically correct Neon Samurai | 05/01/09
Have a look at Small Linux and others like it Deadly Ernest | 06/06/09
And THAT is the "Sanity Check" that needs to be done! vucliriel@... | 04/25/09
Yep; there's no "personal" computing if dependent on another. deepsand | 04/25/09
I hate to defend "greedy sue happy lawyers", but... darpoke | 04/27/09
Prepare to get burned... SinisterSlay | 04/27/09
I guess you consider 'Convenience' Mandatory and Freedom of Choice Optional vucliriel@... | 04/27/09
The thing is... SinisterSlay | 04/28/09
IE Integration Paradigm vucliriel@... | 04/28/09
your welcome to use windows 95.... SinisterSlay | 04/28/09
I'm confused NickNielsen | 04/29/09
@ your welcome to use windows 95.... vucliriel@... | 04/29/09
I cannot saddly SinisterSlay | 04/29/09
You seem to be confused. Allow me to clarify. darpoke | 04/30/09
You speak a good game but have you noticed SinisterSlay | 04/30/09
Well I guess that's what we're really asking here. darpoke | 05/01/09
almost had me till this point SinisterSlay | 05/01/09
Actually the CLI is a basic component of the OS. darpoke | 05/01/09
And that's partially my point SinisterSlay | 05/01/09
unbundle and provide a solection Neon Samurai | 05/01/09
Fair? In business? Really joeller | 05/01/09
Hands up, I confess - I am an idealist :-) darpoke | 05/01/09
@darpoke.. JCitizen | 05/01/09
Laissez-faire capitalism tends to monopoly joeller | 05/03/09
Well said...(nt) JCitizen | 05/03/09
333 posts The 'G-Man.' | 05/06/09
A light hardware loaded browser instead of an OS Deadly Ernest | 05/07/09
OS is still Relevent mamies@... | 05/26/09
This is insanity central, so you're in the right place - OK Deadly Ernest | 05/26/09
It's entirely possible SinisterSlay | 05/27/09
The differences lie in the abstraction layers ... deepsand | 05/27/09
By that logic... linux should be epicly slow running windows games SinisterSlay | 05/27/09
Why must Linux be virtualized? deepsand | 05/27/09
I'm no expert on this, but my understanding is Deadly Ernest | 05/27/09
Windows runs pretty fast on a Linux based host OS Neon Samurai | 05/28/09
WINE is win32 dependencies not a Windows emulator Neon Samurai | 05/28/09
Thats my point though, its an entire extra level of libraries SinisterSlay | 05/28/09
I was mostly just clarifying WINE Neon Samurai | 05/28/09
Deepsand and others - Google Analytics Deadly Ernest | 05/31/09
Imprecise, misleading, and erroneous. deepsand | 06/01/09
So you say the Google supporter who wrote the article at Deadly Ernest | 06/01/09
Whether writer or reader, the conclusions here set forth are still wrong. deepsand | 06/02/09
So you say all the quotes I gave in my last post are wrong Deadly Ernest | 06/02/09
I worry santeewelding | 06/02/09
DE : As a user, I know what it does; and, what effort is required. deepsand | 06/02/09
Doesn't have squat to do with what you're talking about santeewelding | 06/02/09
The semi-colon is my friend. deepsand | 06/02/09
The colon santeewelding | 06/02/09
Object or Person? deepsand | 06/02/09
Don't tell me santeewelding | 06/02/09
I'm sorry, Dave, but I'm afraid I can't answer that, ... deepsand | 06/03/09
santee : Mine is born of sweat, blood & tears. deepsand | 06/02/09
DE : continued at bottom, at ... deepsand | 06/02/09
users dont use computers mart@... | 04/20/09
right on buddyfarr | 04/20/09
3 Lefts to go Right thisisfutile | 04/20/09
We call that scott@... | 04/20/09
Nice insight... Sarnath | 04/20/09
RE: Sanity check: Have we now entered the post-OS era? public@... | 04/20/09
RE: Sanity check: Have we now entered the post-OS era? udayan.banerjee@... | 04/20/09
I think we have entered a Post-Microsoft Era bbrumfield@... | 04/20/09
I agree Kim SJ | 04/20/09
Thank you bbrumfield@... | 04/20/09
I like the way you think. Slvrknght | 04/20/09
Linux is not ready Traxxion | 04/20/09
Give Mandriva Linux 2009 RC 2 a chance. bbrumfield@... | 04/20/09
KDE3 does it Neon Samurai | 04/21/09
I notice I occasionally get the same thing with... JCitizen | 04/21/09
our website has detected a virus on your system Neon Samurai | 04/22/09
Ha! HA! For sure!...(NT) JCitizen | 04/23/09
What is wrong with vista? syedsalmanakbar@... | 04/22/09
Stability is not an issue but workability sure is! vucliriel@... | 04/23/09
Linux users have their heads in a cloud. garyoco@... | 04/20/09
I am not solely Linux bbrumfield@... | 04/20/09
Ouch! garyoco@... | 04/20/09
I was thinking the same... thisisfutile | 04/20/09
that includes Apache right? Neon Samurai | 04/21/09
Wrong, and if you include MacOS X even wronger... Kim SJ | 04/20/09
Bite me garyoco@... | 04/20/09
Who said anything about open source? Kim SJ | 04/20/09
Let's keep it clean. garyoco@... | 04/20/09
Who said anything about Open Source? garyoco@... | 04/20/09
depends on the level of support you want Neon Samurai | 04/21/09
The Mac OS Dumphrey | 04/20/09
Windows runs some FOSS software too. garyoco@... | 04/20/09
I love that FOSS prefers cross platform support Neon Samurai | 04/21/09
I used to do business with a guy.. JCitizen | 04/21/09
Darwin again? Neon Samurai | 04/22/09
The guy seemed quite satisfied... JCitizen | 04/23/09
Whoosh! mckinnej | 04/20/09
Actually, you missed the point. garyoco@... | 04/20/09
I can't disagree bbrumfield@... | 04/20/09
works out better with dualboot anyhow Neon Samurai | 04/21/09
Some heads are somewhere, to be sure. garnerl | 04/20/09
Take your blinkers off for heavens sake. garyoco@... | 04/20/09
Open Source dosn't only mean Linux masonm@... | 04/20/09
I agree with you. garyoco@... | 04/21/09
I Agree masonm@... | 04/21/09
Clouds are where some people clearly live... pickleman | 04/20/09
Blind as bats garyoco@... | 04/20/09
going off-topic here, but darpoke | 04/21/09
Sheer Frustration garyoco@... | 04/24/09
@garyoco... JCitizen | 04/24/09
That makes it pretty clear darpoke | 04/27/09
one person's comment equates to all "Linux users"? Neon Samurai | 04/21/09
According to the original article, it doesn't matter if Linux is successful Michael.Ross@... | 04/21/09
it is a common occurance Neon Samurai | 04/21/09
I'll take the flack but quote me accurately please. garyoco@... | 04/25/09
A justified generalisation garyoco@... | 04/25/09
Guess Again bsauer@... | 04/20/09
Couldn't agree more. garyoco@... | 04/20/09
Sorry but you are totally wrong public@... | 04/21/09
However it will never happen. public@... | 04/21/09
I much agree with your second post darpoke | 04/23/09
There are vendors that are attempting.. JCitizen | 04/26/09
From your last sentence darpoke | 04/27/09
Not all "hardware" solutions have FOSS attached.. JCitizen | 05/01/09
As far as I'm aware, darpoke | 05/05/09
That sounds like my new media center PC... JCitizen | 05/05/09
Good god man! darpoke | 05/06/09
Yep, its bad IF you want cable recording.. JCitizen | 05/07/09
That's my key issue with DRM darpoke | 05/07/09
For sure... JCitizen | 05/07/09
No, a Net terminal does not suite my needs ochevet | 04/20/09
I'm not arguing that net terminals will take over Jason HinerTechrepublic Moderator | 04/20/09
Yes, but... admin@... | 04/20/09
True enough ... Osiyo53@... | 04/21/09
The OS Matters support@... | 04/20/09
Hmm. Maybe the OS deosn't matter, but the earning curve *does* Kim SJ | 04/20/09
The earning curve is everything. garyoco@... | 04/20/09
don't underestimate mailboweb@... | 04/21/09
Good Points garyoco@... | 04/27/09
Nothing is Impossible Kingbackwards | 04/20/09
RE: Sanity check: Have we now entered the post-OS era? SKDTech | 04/20/09
Home Users paul.burden@... | 04/20/09
Having a command line option has its advantages... Kim SJ | 04/20/09
A few things to consider Dumphrey | 04/20/09
Sure, but... paul.burden@... | 04/20/09
I'm not with you on this one markh@... | 04/20/09
paul burden, you described Linux shortcomings in one sentence john3347@... | 04/20/09
Complexity is not a property of Linux.. Kim SJ | 04/20/09
Sure with Linux circa 1990-2000 aroper@... | 04/21/09
Sanity Check... slepre@... | 04/20/09
Another point to add Dumphrey | 04/20/09
Good point, vucliriel@... | 04/25/09
OS Still Matters max@... | 04/20/09
OS is declining in importance. nick@... | 04/20/09
Of course the OS matters garyoco@... | 04/20/09
It's not about cloud computing Jason HinerTechrepublic Moderator | 04/20/09
It's not the end of the OS either. garyoco@... | 04/20/09
True, but.. JCitizen | 04/24/09
The only reason for OS upgrade I see peterquenault@... | 04/20/09
It's all relative... darpoke | 04/20/09
Net bandwidth will soar Kim SJ | 04/20/09
That's one of the arguments at the heart of the network neutrality debate. darpoke | 04/21/09
Sounds Like... The 'G-Man.' | 04/20/09
Full circle peterquenault@... | 04/20/09
Maybe so..... Sensor Guy | 04/20/09
RE: Sanity check: Have we now entered the post-OS era? rohanloh@... | 04/20/09
Well, I'm a developer of smart home systems... Kim SJ | 04/20/09
If people only realized. bbrumfield@... | 04/20/09
Yep .... Osiyo53@... | 04/22/09
Sounds a lot like some of the PLC logic... JCitizen | 04/23/09
Yes and No ... Osiyo53@... | 04/23/09
Brting back cams and relays, darnit! NickNielsen | 04/23/09
Chuckle .... Osiyo53@... | 04/24/09
Vacuum tubes and all the other discrete components, too. deepsand | 04/24/09
Yes, that was coming... JCitizen | 04/24/09
Thats a good point Dumphrey | 04/20/09
Stupid question Brian G | 04/20/09
Absolutely spot on! garyoco@... | 04/20/09
If you get right down to it Dumphrey | 04/20/09
I'm not suggesting the OS will disappear Jason HinerTechrepublic Moderator | 04/20/09
Uhh.. pickleman | 04/20/09
Well, yes! garyoco@... | 04/21/09
Actually the car example works just fine... darpoke | 04/27/09
Still need the engine to move joeller | 05/04/09
I hate to perpetuate the quibbling darpoke | 05/05/09
Car users and Computer users have never cared about engine. joeller | 05/06/09
You said it. darpoke | 05/07/09
Play nice. joeller | 05/04/09
Indeed ... Jason HinerTechrepublic Moderator | 04/20/09
This debate has been slightly hijacked. Kim SJ | 04/20/09
OS is a "local" interface to the system. Not the office tools. greg.hruby@... | 04/20/09
Forgot .. Kudos to Brian G - because greg.hruby@... | 04/20/09
Computers become less expensive to operate! Yaaa! kgbean | 04/20/09
RE: Sanity check: Have we now entered the post-OS era? XMLFRE@... | 04/20/09
All an operating system is, is a suite Tony Hopkinson | 04/20/09
Re: Vista and Phase out XP Anita Y. Mathis | 04/20/09
Sorry Traxxion | 04/20/09
Amen blarman | 04/20/09
Better user interfaces will demand bigger and better OS's wmjas.shaw@... | 04/20/09
Not to burst your bubble but... blarman | 04/20/09
RE: Sanity check: Have we now entered the post-OS era? ddocean@... | 04/20/09
People don't buy computers to run operating systems... GrizzledGeezer | 04/20/09
Of course the OS matters, it is merely evolving. Michael.Ross@... | 04/20/09
I agree... George@... | 04/20/09
RE: Sanity check: Have we now entered the post-OS era? joeller | 04/20/09
Web browser based programs wdewey@... | 04/20/09
Right On! vucliriel@... | 04/21/09
RE: Sanity check: Have we now entered the post-OS era? techrepublic@... | 04/20/09
Peaked out Breezeserve | 04/20/09
No yet GEVernon | 04/20/09
RE: Sanity check: Have we now entered the post-OS era? MPG187 | 04/20/09
RE: Sanity check: Have we now entered the post-OS era? hartej95@... | 04/20/09
A more accurate analysis... Spiritusindomit@... | 04/20/09
RE: Sanity check: Have we now entered the post-OS era? bspreng | 04/20/09
Packaging cbadger1@... | 04/20/09
The OS has many deficiencies and is therefore not mature enough landen99@... | 04/20/09
Try doing web without an OS! Baldrick9 | 04/20/09
RE: Sanity check: Have we now entered the post-OS era? jrbrow1 | 04/20/09
OS's will never go away. However dumb terminals will be on the rise. Photogenic Memory | 04/20/09
Re: OS's will never go away. However dumb terminals will be on the rise. ssampier | 04/23/09
Ha!... JCitizen | 04/24/09
Oddly Enough, Smartphones are the Last Frontier... vucliriel@... | 04/25/09
Sorry.. JCitizen | 04/26/09
Post-OS Centralization of Authority and loss of Personal Freedoms vucliriel@... | 04/27/09
Your just putting words in my communication... JCitizen | 04/28/09
I'm not in the paranoid party yet either darpoke | 04/29/09
It's worse than that Neon Samurai | 04/29/09
I don't feel I've lost any freedom "yet"... JCitizen | 05/01/09
RE: Sanity check: Have we now entered the post-OS era? kizerian@... | 04/21/09
Post OS ERA? I don't think so. dpresley_50201@... | 04/22/09
The article may have gone over your head, so I will try to explain SinisterSlay | 04/23/09
No connection MPG187 | 04/27/09
then your SOL SinisterSlay | 04/27/09
my own server MPG187 | 04/28/09
Re: Post OS ERA? I don't think so. dpresley_50201@... | 04/24/09
With so many of my favorite apps being cross platform... JCitizen | 04/24/09
Microsoft, what will they do? Tonie16 | 04/30/09
Oh they will. SinisterSlay | 05/03/09
Do we really need 64-bit now? Tonie16 | 05/11/09
business is rarely the motivation for new hardware Neon Samurai | 05/11/09
Actually, with the right hardware and software multicore 64 bit Deadly Ernest | 05/12/09
that's a different setup though a viable one Neon Samurai | 05/12/09
Plus the added security x64 brings to the table... JCitizen | 05/12/09
XP Support vucliriel@... | 05/12/09
No updates for XP Micro Neon Samurai | 05/12/09
You're mistaken... vucliriel@... | 05/13/09
how long until it includes the critical updates from this week? Neon Samurai | 05/14/09
Live by the cloud; die by the cloud. deepsand | 05/17/09
Cloudiness...(edited) JCitizen | 05/17/09
Re. the 56kbs limit. deepsand | 05/17/09
New limits... JCitizen | 05/18/09
What he found was, not a way around the Shannon limit, but, ... deepsand | 05/18/09
Here it is!... JCitizen | 05/25/09
Slow going. deepsand | 05/25/09
Oh well... JCitizen | 05/28/09
2 possibilites. deepsand | 05/28/09
Hopefully it is item 2.. JCitizen | 05/30/09
Bear in mind, though, that even once the hurdle noted in item 2 ... deepsand | 05/31/09
Very much santeewelding | 05/31/09
Yes, but, ... deepsand | 05/31/09
Self santeewelding | 05/31/09
Case not overlooked. deepsand | 06/01/09
I think you are gaining. santeewelding | 06/01/09
The line is ... deepsand | 06/01/09
The number santeewelding | 06/01/09
santee, deepsand, darpoke | 06/02/09
Every word, Darpoke santeewelding | 06/02/09
Sharing profound views, darpoke | 06/02/09
The smaller they get santeewelding | 06/02/09
Smaller = higher density. deepsand | 06/02/09
Point. darpoke | 06/03/09
More fallout from Google deepsand | 05/26/09
I wonder how these online shops etc go with people like me Deadly Ernest | 05/26/09
For me, the issue is one of performance. deepsand | 05/27/09
The sole reason for the existence of GA at all is to collect Deadly Ernest | 05/27/09
As a merchant who uses GA, I must differ. deepsand | 05/27/09
That just means they're doing something else with it as they Deadly Ernest | 05/27/09
I agree... vucliriel@... | 05/28/09
Precisely what is it you think that GA collects, that is ... deepsand | 05/28/09
That behavior, vucliriel, has absolulely nothing to do with GA. deepsand | 05/28/09
Actually, my main concern is the slow down caused by GA Deadly Ernest | 05/28/09
That behavior, DE, is not dependent on GA. deepsand | 05/28/09
Deepsand, It matter not where the ads come from Deadly Ernest | 05/28/09
Again, DE, it is not GA which serves as the originator. deepsand | 05/28/09
Sandy, I'll answer both your last two posts here for simplicity Deadly Ernest | 05/28/09
Where to begin? deepsand | 05/28/09
Deepsand, unless your site is dramatically different to most Deadly Ernest | 05/28/09
The trouble with in-your-face advertizing... vucliriel@... | 05/29/09
DE, TCP/IP is a STATELESS protocol. deepsand | 05/31/09
vucliriel : To repeat, ads are selected by AD SERVERS. deepsand | 05/31/09
TCP/IP is a stateless protocol that still goes through a Deadly Ernest | 05/31/09
SYN/ACK don't matter; the fact remains that there remains no ... deepsand | 06/01/09
Just the sort of thing santeewelding | 06/01/09
All of my sieves are prime. deepsand | 06/01/09
I never said there was a continuous connections only that Deadly Ernest | 06/01/09
I think this subject deserves a whole new article... JCitizen | 06/02/09
DE: How many sites use only content of their own? deepsand | 06/02/09
JC: Block GA toward what end? deepsand | 06/02/09
Deepsand, many sites od use only their own content as to do Deadly Ernest | 06/02/09
No, it is not the case that "the user knows they're being redirected" deepsand | 06/02/09
As I understand it, darpoke | 06/03/09
Darpoke, one of the biggest security concerns is to do with Deadly Ernest | 06/03/09
J Citizen - you suggested we take this to another thread Deadly Ernest | 06/03/09
Not to sound flippant, DE darpoke | 06/03/09
Darpoke, to understand the point about time you need to Deadly Ernest | 06/03/09
Dammit now you've just piqued my interest! darpoke | 06/03/09
Darpoke, if you look at the following wikis they explains it all Deadly Ernest | 06/03/09
There can be no reasonable expectation of privacy in a public place. deepsand | 06/03/09
There is a legal support for reasonable privacy in Deadly Ernest | 06/04/09
Change rooms & toilets are NOT PUBLIC PLACES !!! [eom] deepsand | 06/05/09
A change room or toilet in a store is as much a public place Deadly Ernest | 06/05/09
No, DE, they are PRIVATE places within Public ones. deepsand | 06/05/09
Hey, you're the one sayign a shop is a public place Deadly Ernest | 06/05/09
Irrelevant and non sequitur deepsand | 06/05/09
Yeah I know it is. but you raised the point on the privacy Deadly Ernest | 06/05/09
No; what was irrelevant & non sequitur was ... deepsand | 06/05/09
When I choose to go to a specific store I don't mind them Deadly Ernest | 06/05/09
@DE and deepsand...(edited) JCitizen | 06/06/09
Too expensive... TonytheTiger | 05/28/09
What's this about an Ohio case worth millions? Deadly Ernest | 05/28/09
Who needs this s**t?! vucliriel@... | 05/27/09
" Obvious snoop?" deepsand | 05/27/09
I can see your point... vucliriel@... | 05/28/09
Web analytical apps., including GA, collect no more than is ... deepsand | 05/28/09
There is web analysis software you can get to run Deadly Ernest | 05/28/09
Complete web analytics requires at least 2, sometimes 3, types of data. deepsand | 05/28/09
DE : How to do this? deepsand | 06/02/09
it won' t work with me anyway as I don't allow ANY Deadly Ernest | 06/03/09
Incorrect and evasive. deepsand | 06/03/09
No red herring from this end Deadly Ernest | 06/04/09
I had a quick look on the GA page darpoke | 06/04/09
Spot on. deepsand | 06/05/09
In regards to the operation of the on-line store, the owner Deadly Ernest | 06/05/09
Asked and answered. deepsand | 06/05/09
What types of information are gathered and why? Deadly Ernest | 06/05/09
Asked and answered, ... deepsand | 06/05/09
Stylistically santeewelding | 06/05/09
Actually it's not answered - you've not told me what extra Deadly Ernest | 06/05/09
Not only have I stated the what , but also the why deepsand | 06/05/09
This sub-thread started off about my blocking GA Deadly Ernest | 06/05/09
I'm not about to spend eternity repeating myself. deepsand | 06/05/09
How about directly answering the question posed? deepsand | 06/05/09
Once you've got the money, what more data do you want? Deadly Ernest | 06/05/09
It's all set forth in the question. deepsand | 06/05/09
As I previously explained, all the data you need about my Deadly Ernest | 06/05/09
Kindly re-read the question. deepsand | 06/05/09
As I said before - if you use a third party shopping cart Deadly Ernest | 06/05/09
To repeat, it's NOT ABOUT COOKIES . deepsand | 06/05/09
The point is you have the capability to gather the data yourself Deadly Ernest | 06/05/09
Once again, NO. deepsand | 06/05/09
In theory, perhaps NickNielsen | 06/04/09
Bad site design. deepsand | 06/05/09
Come to think of it.... JCitizen | 06/19/09
Add (3rd party) to allow? deepsand | 06/20/09
When you're ready, DE, to substantiate your claims ... deepsand | 06/05/09
I suggest you take a reading course - never said they did Deadly Ernest | 06/05/09
Suggest that you re-read your own posts, including recent one ... deepsand | 06/05/09
As I said in the original post of my Deadly Ernest | 06/05/09
Nope, on all counts. deepsand | 06/06/09
Deepsand, you've not yet explained why I should cut security Deadly Ernest | 06/05/09
The claim that GA compomises security is ... deepsand | 06/05/09
I don't need to prove GA does a thing, they use a system Deadly Ernest | 06/05/09
The claim you here make re. GA distributing malware is utter nonsense. deepsand | 06/06/09
I suggest you do a course on reading and the English language Deadly Ernest | 06/06/09
I suggest that you actually study the issues involved, ... deepsand | 06/07/09
Deepsand - I understand the issue, but you seem to be Deadly Ernest | 06/07/09
Wrong on all counts. deepsand | 06/08/09
Google Analytics Developer Docs deepsand | 06/06/09
RE: Sanity check: Have we now entered the post-OS era? vvtunes@... | 06/15/09
Whoa. darpoke | 06/16/09
Brilliant! vucliriel@... | 06/16/09
What people want and what they need are two quite different matters. deepsand | 06/17/09
Offensive and Condescending :( vucliriel@... | 06/18/09
Sorry if the facts do not well comport with your fantasies. deepsand | 06/18/09
No.. Web is not everything.. blackspidey | 07/13/09
Even firmware has an OS Neon Samurai | 07/13/09
RE: Sanity check: Have we now entered the post-OS era? anthony.b@... | 07/21/09
RE: Sanity check: Have we now entered the post-OS era? gypkap@... | 10/14/09

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