That's IT for you...
Capt_Skippy | 09/22/09
|

Do WE now
The 'G-Man.' | 09/22/09
|
 
Always an exception...
kcat123 | 09/22/09
|
  
Only because you've allowed them to fool you
JackOfAllTech | 09/22/09
|
   
Huh?
Mike-Scott | 09/23/09
|
    
He's been fooled by his company and he's fooled himself
JackOfAllTech | 09/23/09
|
     
Agree
SilverBullet | 09/24/09
|
     
Correct.
benjnunez@... | 09/25/09
|
     
I agree
Dr. Funk | 09/25/09
|
     
Well Said
temp209@... | 09/25/09
|
     
Absolutely!
Tony K | 09/25/09
|
     
It's your job to look out for you.
wyattharris@... | 09/25/09
|
     
Most IT workers are poor time managers
cgbullock@... | 09/25/09
|
     
50 hours onsite
minithumbs@... | 09/28/09
|
     
Also agree
RookieTech | 09/30/09
|
     
Their poor planning ...
wchaster@... | 10/01/09
|
    
Interesting
bmwwaterman | 09/25/09
|
     
Excellent
Kineo216 | 09/25/09
|
     
Finding a good employer ...
wchaster@... | 10/01/09
|
   
re; Only because you've allowed them to fool you
mike@... | 09/25/09
|
   
Outsource
richard.ayers@... | 09/26/09
|
  
No disrespect meant but...
Kostaghus | 09/25/09
|
   
45Years and counting
chris.pratt@... | 09/25/09
|
    
24x7 doesn't mean you
Stubby | 09/25/09
|
     
Here here!
Ole88 | 09/25/09
|
     
some people are proud
johnreiling@... | 09/29/09
|
    
Oh, he said "shut up". That means we have to take it.
EdMerc | 09/25/09
|
     
Balance
istari2ve2002@... | 09/25/09
|
    
And then there are the one's with no life outside
SilverBullet | 09/25/09
|
     
Desi's Especially
prakash_srikanth@... | 09/25/09
|
    
Hoah
--@... | 09/28/09
|
    
Like the job, but you don't have to kill yourself doing it
george-barna@... | 10/04/09
|
   
A lesson learned
mijobra@... | 09/25/09
|
    
I hear you
Andy M | 09/25/09
|
   
No life from 9 to 5?
mjc5@... | 09/25/09
|
   
Couldn't agree more
bill@... | 09/25/09
|
    
Interesting comments chaps
chris.pratt@... | 09/25/09
|
     
Tomorrow Is Saturday!
bill.folger@... | 09/25/09
|
     
speak for yourself
simon.child@... | 09/28/09
|
    
I'm with you Bill
timsalabim | 09/28/09
|
     
Sleeping on A Problem
minithumbs@... | 09/28/09
|
   
Amen
dpanto000 | 09/25/09
|
    
Even if it's fun....
jk2001 | 09/25/09
|
  
Get ready for the worst
destiger92@... | 10/05/09
|

Not just IT
rich95134 | 09/22/09
|
 
Total agreement
wlewis@... | 09/22/09
|
  
80 hours?
michael.kregel@... | 09/22/09
|
   
Not all workaholics
kurt@... | 09/22/09
|
    
This guy
michael.kregel@... | 09/22/09
|
   
I call them slaves myself (NT)
Tai Chi Bear | 09/23/09
|
    
corn field slaves is what I call them!
techie_developer | 09/25/09
|
   
Again, agree
SilverBullet | 09/24/09
|
  
50hrs = productive though
Stubby | 09/25/09
|
   
I think part of it
MikeGall | 09/25/09
|
 
Check your state statutes
thegreenwizard1 | 09/25/09
|
  
State Statutes
wlewis@... | 09/28/09
|
   
Correction
NickNielsen | 09/28/09
|

Your wrong
michael.kregel@... | 09/22/09
|
 
Not wrong, just the unfortunate truth.
StormChaser | 09/23/09
|
  
Work to Live, or Live to Work
SilverBullet | 09/24/09
|
   
The flip side....
mjc5@... | 09/25/09
|
   
You ever buy anything?
NickNielsen | 09/25/09
|
    
Missed the point
SilverBullet | 09/28/09
|
     
I don't think you'd get the point
NickNielsen | 09/28/09
|
     
Afterthought
NickNielsen | 09/28/09
|
  
Yo do have a choice
Stubby | 09/25/09
|
   
I'm fairly certain
NickNielsen | 09/25/09
|
    
I read 'em (and I weep not)
HGunter | 09/25/09
|
     
US labor law also defines what are called "exempt" positions
NickNielsen | 09/25/09
|
    
Nice,,,,,
SilverBullet | 09/28/09
|
     
Tip for you
NickNielsen | 09/28/09
|
   
Employement Laws defending worker
Smullster | 09/25/09
|
    
Who defends workers against labor laws?
TommCatt | 09/25/09
|
     
Terminate at Will
Smullster | 10/06/09
|
   
You can be fired at any time for any reason
MargaretlBartley | 09/25/09
|
    
The real world?
TommCatt | 09/25/09
|
    
Exempt or non-exempt is federal law
NickNielsen | 09/25/09
|
   
Only Bad choices
VBJackson | 09/28/09
|
  
Log your extra hours
jk2001 | 09/25/09
|
  
Freelance - I get paid for what I do
peter@... | 09/25/09
|
 
Screw IT
orbach | 09/25/09
|
  
Actress
The 'G-Man.' | 09/25/09
|
 
I didn't read all of these becuase...
mike@... | 09/25/09
|
  
Try Ranching
EK@... | 09/25/09
|

We are paid to solve problems, so why don't we solve our own?
mdbizzarri@... | 09/22/09
|
 
I've made that choice before
Sabregirl | 09/25/09
|
  
They can't take integrity from you
SilverBullet | 09/25/09
|

Used to be salaried / management
angry_white_male | 09/22/09
|
 
Halleluiah brother
jp4par | 09/25/09
|
 
Hourly
chris@... | 09/25/09
|

Fourty hours plus an extra 20
mjd420nova | 09/22/09
|
 
Why?
JackOfAllTech | 09/22/09
|
 
I do pitty you,,,,
SilverBullet | 09/24/09
|

yes u r right
Esam_jar | 09/23/09
|

In the end it is our choice
vh396001@... | 09/23/09
|

Quite agree!
hippyhop | 09/23/09
|

Forty Hour Week
rmurphy762@... | 09/23/09
|
 
Long hours vs unemployment
HGunter | 09/25/09
|
  
Logical in the wrong direction
TommCatt | 09/30/09
|

another slave.
SilverBullet | 09/24/09
|
 
anther slave?
mjc5@... | 09/25/09
|
  
I drive my career, it is not defined by an employeer or
SilverBullet | 09/25/09
|
   
Oh, you better be the best!
mjc5@... | 09/26/09
|
    
You did not interrupt my talking point
SilverBullet | 09/28/09
|
  
You missed a point, I think
HGunter | 09/25/09
|
  
if it is your choice to put in unpaid hours
peter@... | 09/25/09
|

Screw IT
orbach | 09/25/09
|

A classic illustration of abuse. Nothing else but.
jdickey | 09/25/09
|

Negotiate you position
donweck@... | 09/25/09
|
 
What do you do...
c_aug@... | 09/25/09
|
  
You Misunderstand
TBone2k | 09/25/09
|
  
Record my time
jk2001 | 09/25/09
|

hmm
MikeGall | 09/25/09
|

Total Commirment
rscott46 | 09/25/09
|
 
i heart it too
jk2001 | 09/25/09
|
 
... but the big question
HGunter | 09/25/09
|
  
We almost had a revolution for that.
jk2001 | 09/28/09
|

What about I.T.?
R1scFactor | 09/25/09
|

it has always been that way
Professor8 | 09/25/09
|
 
How will employers appreciate that
peter@... | 09/26/09
|

40hrs? Sure, just do it right.
mkite@... | 09/25/09
|
 
40 hrs can be done - I agree
crownjw1 | 09/26/09
|

Long Hours
owner@... | 09/25/09
|
 
wake up
jk2001 | 09/25/09
|

But most should legally receive overtime
pctyson@... | 09/27/09
|

Luckily, this hasn't been the norm for me.
Kujo2020 | 09/28/09
|

I worked well over 70 hours per week before my I.T.
SilverBullet | 09/29/09
|
 
And your take- away from this
NickNielsen | 09/29/09
|

There is one thing
NickNielsen | 09/29/09
|
 
Probably both lol ~nt~
jck | 09/30/09
|

Convert Your Pay to Equivalent Hourly Rate
http://pm6.com | 09/30/09
|

wouldn't it be great to think?
mccor005@... | 10/01/09
|
Seems par for the course
Derek Schauland | 09/22/09
|

Yep
jck | 09/22/09
|

Seems par for the course
craig.walker@... | 09/23/09
|
I work 40 hours a week in IT
Forum Surfer | 09/22/09
|

Great to hear!
jweston@... | 09/22/09
|
 
I also only work 40
kjknutson@... | 09/22/09
|
  
Less than 40 hours here!
Dave Pusey | 09/25/09
|
   
33 hrs a week lucky !!!!!!!!
richard.ayers@... | 09/27/09
|
 
Not a frecuently overtimer
omar.mendez@... | 09/22/09
|
  
Please be specific....
clc@... | 09/27/09
|
   
If I read you right
NickNielsen | 09/27/09
|

That's cool
jck | 09/22/09
|
 
Speaking of $$$...I made 30% more take home when I worked 50+ hours
Forum Surfer | 09/22/09
|
  
50-plus hours equals 25-plus percent extra time...
roninido | 09/22/09
|
  
Love of money, love of job, love of life?
SilverBullet | 09/24/09
|

More employer flexibility = more employee flexibility
johnn5 | 09/22/09
|
 
Re: More employer flexibility = more employee flexibility
jjenkins@... | 09/22/09
|
  
Comp time is effective "time management"
SilverBullet | 09/24/09
|
  
In a Comp Time situation, excessive CT = Problems
Former Big Iron Guy | 10/22/09
|

I'm with you
maecuff | 09/22/09
|

Me too
sharkbot | 09/23/09
|
It puzzles me that IT workers
Tai Chi Bear | 09/22/09
|

Yeah
jck | 09/22/09
|
 
Exemptions
Tai Chi Bear | 09/22/09
|
  
Agreed
jck | 09/22/09
|
   
I'd pay big bucks to see that...
Tai Chi Bear | 09/22/09
|
   
Unionize IT?
jjenkins@... | 09/22/09
|
    
Union-no, professional organization-yes
Tai Chi Bear | 09/22/09
|
     
Sounds damned good to me
jck | 09/23/09
|
     
Problem when you include Mexico
jdclyde | 09/23/09
|
     
No problem at all actually
jck | 09/23/09
|
     
No wage negociation
Tai Chi Bear | 09/23/09
|
     
not per individual
jck | 09/23/09
|
     
Decentralise Man!
paul.hughes@... | 09/25/09
|
     
That would take a true act of God
jck | 09/25/09
|
     
There are professional unions
jk2001 | 09/25/09
|
     
well I don't know about *that*
jck | 09/28/09
|
    
Unionizing
jck | 09/23/09
|
     
You've got the power
mijobra@... | 09/25/09
|
     
Absolutely
jck | 09/25/09
|
     
They're not trying to organize IT
jk2001 | 09/26/09
|
     
Very true
jck | 09/28/09
|
  
Exempt/Non-exempt is based primarily on job duties
NickNielsen | 09/23/09
|
   
really?
jck | 09/23/09
|
    
There are, of course, exceptions
NickNielsen | 09/23/09
|
     
Yep
jck | 09/23/09
|
     
That's the one
NickNielsen | 09/25/09
|
     
Sort of...
jck | 09/25/09
|

choices are not always cut and dry
ssampier | 09/22/09
|

Well said TCB
onemixdj@... | 09/25/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
chadhembree | 09/22/09
|

For all you Treksters out there...
agoodspeed | 09/22/09
|

Comp Time
jk2001 | 09/26/09
|
Someone tell my wife
sidekick | 09/22/09
|

I hear ya
TBone2k | 09/22/09
|
 
Hear, hear!
agoodspeed | 09/22/09
|
  
i feel for u pal
ruby.otero@... | 09/25/09
|
 
The mythical high-wage factory job.
jk2001 | 09/26/09
|

yes
Esam_jar | 09/23/09
|
20 hours a week
jdclyde | 09/22/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
rxgirl | 09/22/09
|

Amen
michael.kregel@... | 09/22/09
|

Ha!
Forum Surfer | 09/22/09
|
 
Yeah, well....
rxgirl | 09/22/09
|
  
:)
Forum Surfer | 09/23/09
|
  
dang
jck | 09/23/09
|
  
Congrats! :)
bert@... | 09/25/09
|
 
In that case, wait until
SilverBullet | 09/25/09
|
Been there, done that - never again.
notlobber | 09/22/09
|

Indeed
bsturgell@... | 09/22/09
|
It has never been 40 hours
AlphaW | 09/22/09
|

Your Attitude Is Part of the Problem
Arsynic | 09/23/09
|

Did we create a monster?
IT4Life | 09/25/09
|

40 hours because they want it, or need it
SilverBullet | 09/25/09
|
Odds here and there
reisen55@... | 09/22/09
|

and Picket
TechMitch | 09/22/09
|
With Mass Layoffs--This Isn't Just an IT Problem
Arsynic | 09/22/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
RBSandoval | 09/22/09
|
Not any more
Richard Noel | 09/22/09
|
Yes
dg.itpro | 09/22/09
|

Watch Yourself
jk2001 | 09/26/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
Network Design and Support | 09/22/09
|
I work in IT and I rarely work more than 40 hours a week
MyPMExpert | 09/22/09
|

Good Sense
temp209@... | 09/25/09
|

I tend to agree with Susan on this....
stleslie@... | 09/27/09
|
I'm not too bothered about the number of hours
Tony Hopkinson | 09/22/09
|
I only work 35 hours
AV . | 09/22/09
|

"Almost"
jdclyde | 09/23/09
|
 
Absolutely not
AV . | 09/23/09
|
Burnt out. RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
ogregator@... | 09/22/09
|

I agree !!!!
Tonie16 | 09/25/09
|
 
Yeah :)
ogregator@... | 10/07/09
|

Caring a lot is a good thing...
jk2001 | 09/26/09
|
There's not a chance I'd do that regularly!
JackOfAllTech | 09/22/09
|

37.5 hours
JustinF | 09/22/09
|
 
Exactly my point
JackOfAllTech | 09/23/09
|
Yup
Pravat | 09/22/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
geo.waqas@... | 09/23/09
|

We all have to try to keep the work under control...
jk2001 | 09/26/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
Systems_Analyst | 09/23/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
Rastor9 | 09/23/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
msmith@... | 09/24/09
|
32-hour week here...
KD78728 | 09/24/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
benjnunez@... | 09/25/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
terrance.cavender@... | 09/25/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
anvinota@... | 09/25/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
destiger92@... | 09/25/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
mandrake64 | 09/25/09
|

Quite often, it's the other way 'round
NickNielsen | 09/25/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
yfaris@... | 09/25/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
aduran63 | 09/25/09
|
Also it affects the Motivation LEVEL!!
aneeque@... | 09/25/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
spblais@... | 09/25/09
|

I used to work long hours and enjoyed it but, not any more
paul.everett@... | 09/25/09
|
Did we create a monster?
IT4Life | 09/25/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
nanheynedian@... | 09/25/09
|

This is the way of IT
asics447 | 09/25/09
|

Perhaps we should join the Indian programmer's union
jk2001 | 09/26/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
rodgar_z@... | 09/25/09
|
Re: Time for school?
howard48906@... | 09/25/09
|
You are a ROI #
scott.damery@... | 09/25/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
kyle.mansell@... | 09/25/09
|

Sorry about your experience
ke_xtian@... | 09/25/09
|
40Hrs...Hahahah!!!!
techrat@... | 09/25/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Beware of exaggeration
Marcus55901 | 09/25/09
|

It People understand, non It don't
trevorairey@... | 09/25/09
|
50 Hrs a week w/OT
joshuaj@... | 09/25/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
bhoeg@... | 09/25/09
|
This is going to hurt a little
Dr_Zinj | 09/25/09
|

Oh my YES!!
jlippens@... | 09/25/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
hinesjrh | 09/25/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
kelley.walker@... | 09/25/09
|

Know your worth - Demand respect
waltjohnson35@... | 09/25/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
phportelance@... | 09/25/09
|

Don't do the employer's work on your own time. Do your own work.
jk2001 | 09/26/09
|
Computer Science/Multimedia degree worth it?
n.smutz@... | 09/25/09
|

Might be worth it.
arignote | 09/25/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
ej79931@... | 09/25/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
steveclelland | 09/25/09
|

Set the rules at the start and the situation is a bit more managable
iTh4uNow | 09/25/09
|
Salaried or hourly? (exempt/non-exempt)
pctyson@... | 09/25/09
|

No OT in Software Development and Support
Kelley@... | 09/28/09
|
There's always a light at the end of the tunnel
sergioms_li@... | 09/25/09
|
Could overtime be a disservice rather than a good job?
susan.mcmillin@... | 09/25/09
|
And Its Time for This Nonsense to Stop
eliwap | 09/25/09
|
I love working OT
MytonLopez@... | 09/25/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
jeelanimunawar@... | 09/25/09
|
Our Career was once a Hobby
locum@... | 09/25/09
|

Separate work from the hobby
jk2001 | 09/26/09
|
How much can you take?
kayte@... | 09/25/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
ericgyoung | 09/25/09
|

Thanks to former President Jimmy Carter
dbecker@... | 09/25/09
|
Maybe in US
fvazquez@... | 09/25/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
Renaisssance2008 | 09/25/09
|
It is here
CodeCurmudgeon | 09/25/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
chris@... | 09/25/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
bradwarduk@... | 09/25/09
|
Work way over 40 just to keep my job
tappy0814@... | 09/25/09
|

You're getting screwed
jk2001 | 09/26/09
|
 
Have to just keep the job
tappy0814@... | 09/26/09
|
  
But you're still getting screwed AND it's still illegal
NickNielsen | 09/27/09
|
   
Keep Records!
jk2001 | 09/28/09
|
    
Thank you for the advice
tappy0814@... | 09/28/09
|
 
Amen
pctyson@... | 09/27/09
|

That is totally illegal
AV . | 09/26/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
kennedyjd@... | 09/25/09
|
3 buildings, 3 shifts, 3 support techs!
christopher.ramey@... | 09/28/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
tt@... | 09/28/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
gbohrn | 09/28/09
|

Not for Me
aholthouse@... | 09/28/09
|
RE: A forty-hour week? Not in IT
charlesvgoff@... | 09/30/09
|
Over 40 too often bad time management by the boss
Deadly Ernest | 10/10/09
|